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Genez

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Cameron143 said:
Death.
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They got death when they ate.

It was "spiritual" death.. Not physical death.

Dead that way, they became what we were born being.

Which was .... physically alive, and spiritually dead.

God did not lie.
When they ate? They died...
 
Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
God giving us personal insight into our own depravity, which can only happen after salvation, causes grief and sorrow for a season.
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. They where deserving of something, I know what it is, but I would rather someone else has insight first.
 
Cameron143

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Genez said:
They got death when they ate.

It was "spiritual" death.. Not physical death.

Dead that way, they became what we were born being.

Which was .... physically alive, and spiritually dead.

God did not lie.
When they ate? They died...
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I never claimed differently. The question was what they deserved. And they deserved death.
 
Genez

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Thunderrr-mental said:
Well they must have been deserving of something.


Could you think of anything Adam and eve may have been deserving of
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The only thing different between those he saves and those he condemns
is how we react to God's essence when God's Spirit draws us...
 
Genez

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Cameron143 said:
I never claimed differently. The question was what they deserved. And they deserved was death.
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Yes... They got it when they ate. Spiritual death.... which resulted in eventual physical death.

The Hebrew says that when they ate...

"in dying, you shall die."

Two deaths.

The first one was immediate = spiritual death.
 
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Genez said:
They got death when they ate.

It was "spiritual" death.. Not physical death.

Dead that way, they became what we were born being.

Which was .... physically alive, and spiritually dead.

God did not lie.
When they ate? They died...
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don't worry buddy im on your side now 😊
 
Cameron143

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Genez said:
Yes... They got it when they ate. Spiritual death.... which resulted in eventual physical death.

The Hebrew says that when they ate...

"in dying, you shall die."

Two deaths.

The first one was immediate = spiritual death.
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Again, when it happened wasn't the consideration. Neither was the nature of the death. Only what they deserved was under consideration. With that in mind, did they deserve death?
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Well they must have been deserving of something.


Could you think of anything Adam and eve may have been deserving of
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We are not Adam and Eve in an unfallen state. Why don't you tell us what they did to earn God's blessing?

You do understand that something deserved is something earned, don't you?

I'm wondering if you are using the word deserved in another manner.

The only thing that deserves God's blessing is perfect obedience which, is why Christ has been given all things as He is the only one who deserved it. And as we are part of that "all things", the Father saved us because God the Father doesn't give broken gifts.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Do you believe they deserved death?
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I'm asking you what else they deserved.

Can you think what that might be.

Heres a little hint.

Right after they gained all knowledge of Good and evil they did something.

Any idea what that was.
 
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sawdust said:
We are not Adam and Eve in an unfallen state. Why don't you tell us what they did to earn God's blessing?

You do understand that something deserved is something earned, don't you?

I'm wondering if you are using the word deserved in another manner.

The only thing that deserves God's blessing is perfect obedience which, is why Christ has been given all things as He is the only one who deserved it. And as we are part of that "all things", the Father saved us because God the Father doesn't give broken gifts.
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I know what deserving is in many ways.

So any idea what else Adam and Eve was deserving off
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
I'm asking you what else they deserved.

Can you think what that might be.

Heres a little hint.

Right after they gained all knowledge of Good and evil they did something.

Any idea what that was.
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They clothed themselves and hid.
Now, did they deserve death?
 
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sawdust said:
We are not Adam and Eve in an unfallen state. Why don't you tell us what they did to earn God's blessing?

You do understand that something deserved is something earned, don't you?

I'm wondering if you are using the word deserved in another manner.

The only thing that deserves God's blessing is perfect obedience which, is why Christ has been given all things as He is the only one who deserved it. And as we are part of that "all things", the Father saved us because God the Father doesn't give broken gifts.
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im waiting for you to tell me, what did adam and eve do after gaining all knowledge of Good and evil
 
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