Ukraine the bad guy?

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ZNP

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It's not what you know, its what you can prove, now we can prove it. We have the DS cornered, they are trying to get the records that proved they covered up the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden scandal. If they give them that they go down for treason, they won't give them that. To force their hand congress is threatening to cut off the money to FBI. If they had done that six months earlier they would have been "Irresponsible" but now with all the evidence it is Biden that looks like Scarface. Like I said this will not be bringing salvation to the US, only judgement.
 

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Clearly you don’t know what a Patriot missile is and what purpose it serves lol.
Patriot missile batteries are a type of surface-to-air missile system designed to provide air defense against various aerial threats, including aircraft, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles. They are primarily used by the United States and several other countries around the world.

The Patriot system consists of several components, including the missile launcher, radar systems, command and control equipment, and the interceptor missiles themselves. The system is designed to detect and track incoming threats using radar, identify and prioritize targets, and engage and destroy them in mid-air.

The primary purpose of Patriot missile batteries is to protect military assets, population centers, and critical infrastructure from aerial attacks. They are capable of engaging multiple targets simultaneously and can operate in a highly integrated air defense network. The system is known for its mobility, flexibility, and effectiveness against a wide range of threats.

However, it appears they are unable to defend against the hypersonic Russian missiles. Let's see if we can make a rule that the Russians cannot use hypersonic missiles to make things fair.
 

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Patriot missile batteries are a type of surface-to-air missile system designed to provide air defense against various aerial threats, including aircraft, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles. They are primarily used by the United States and several other countries around the world.

The Patriot system consists of several components, including the missile launcher, radar systems, command and control equipment, and the interceptor missiles themselves. The system is designed to detect and track incoming threats using radar, identify and prioritize targets, and engage and destroy them in mid-air.

The primary purpose of Patriot missile batteries is to protect military assets, population centers, and critical infrastructure from aerial attacks. They are capable of engaging multiple targets simultaneously and can operate in a highly integrated air defense network. The system is known for its mobility, flexibility, and effectiveness against a wide range of threats.

However, it appears they are unable to defend against the hypersonic Russian missiles. Let's see if we can make a rule that the Russians cannot use hypersonic missiles to make things fair.
As far as we can tell presently, 30 Patriots were fired, with zero interceptions.
Basically, the Russians can attack targets with hypersonics with impunity. So it seems anyways.

"CNN - A US-made Patriot air defense system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a US official tells CNN.

The US is still assessing to what degree the system was damaged, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by Ukrainians forces."

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine/index.html
 

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From ISW:

Russian forces reportedly shut down another Ukrainian evangelical Christian church in Mariupol likely as part of a wider systematic religious persecution campaign in occupied Ukraine. Ukrainian Mariupol Mayoral Advisor Petro Andryushchenko reported that Russian forces seized the Ukrainian Christian Evangelical Church of the Holy Trinity in Mariupol and are using the church to house 10 to 30 Russian servicemen.[34] ISW reported on April 9 that Protestants suffered two-thirds of all of the reported religious repression events in occupied Mariupol.[35] ISW identified that Russian occupation officials most commonly persecute members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and Protestants, particularly evangelical Baptists.[36]
 

Zandar

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I wonder whether any war is even real anymore or staged by the powers that be.
 

Zandar

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during ww2 the europeans were calling it a fake war. people were dying but they believed the outcome had already been decided before the war began
 

JohnDB

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So this morning I hear Bakhmut has mostly fallen and that Russia has destroyed the bridges Ukranians will use to escape....
Oh and Russia completely destroyed one Patriot missile system and damaged two others.....
Meanwhile US officials are trying to figure out how to bill Ukraine for three patriot systems instead of the two they got. Neverminding the 500 NATO generals that Russia killed last night in a deep bunker they were hiding in.


So....in reality land instead of Russian fantasies....Bakhmut looking like it's about to get cut off and encircled. Less than 10 km to a very important train/highway intersection in the North area of Ukraine. And in the South klishchkiivka is being emptied of Russian soldiers....they are retreating to somewhere....dunno.

And again this is still not the counter-offensive.....This is just shaping attacks of reconnaissance in force....seeing where soldiers move to when attacked.

I pray for the lives being lost...those under severe persecution....the Baptist Missionaries being beaten, killed, or imprisoned. Those families on both sides losing loved ones in this senseless war.
 

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So this morning I hear Bakhmut has mostly fallen and that Russia has destroyed the bridges Ukranians will use to escape....
Oh and Russia completely destroyed one Patriot missile system and damaged two others.....
Meanwhile US officials are trying to figure out how to bill Ukraine for three patriot systems instead of the two they got. Neverminding the 500 NATO generals that Russia killed last night in a deep bunker they were hiding in.


So....in reality land instead of Russian fantasies....Bakhmut looking like it's about to get cut off and encircled. Less than 10 km to a very important train/highway intersection in the North area of Ukraine. And in the South klishchkiivka is being emptied of Russian soldiers....they are retreating to somewhere....dunno.

And again this is still not the counter-offensive.....This is just shaping attacks of reconnaissance in force....seeing where soldiers move to when attacked.

I pray for the lives being lost...those under severe persecution....the Baptist Missionaries being beaten, killed, or imprisoned. Those families on both sides losing loved ones in this senseless war.
Yep, with all this winning soon the Ukrainians will be sick of winning.
 

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Yep, with all this winning soon the Ukrainians will be sick of winning.
Odessa has just suffered perhaps 15 missile strikes. Russian missiles are dominating the skies with total impunity.
No answer from the AFU......not looking good for them. Russia has been ramping up these strikes on military targets.
When there are no more targets to be found, and no more Ukrainian conscripts remaining to be shaken out of the cities, will the war then be over?

 

ZNP

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Odessa has just suffered perhaps 15 missile strikes. Russian missiles are dominating the skies with total impunity.
No answer from the AFU......not looking good for them. Russia has been ramping up these strikes on military targets.
When there are no more targets to be found, and no more Ukrainian conscripts remaining to be shaken out of the cities, will the war then be over?

Tis but a scratch