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Well, i appreciate you reading through the thread. I suppose if you see my comments as a “lifeless force” void of “profound spiritual truths” then I dont have much to say. My guide on these matters is the Scriptures, not some self-asserted spiritual profundity. If the basis of your arguments...

First, I never said all who are judged are damned. I simply said that judgment comes after death. Nowhere does Scripture say that after death comes preaching, possible repentance and then judgment. Second, Scripture is very clear that without hearing the Gospel there is no salvation. Why...

He did it on earth so that men might ”repent for the kingdom of heaven is near.” There is no repentance in the grave. That is why he wouldn’t preach in hades.

Rhom, I am having trouble understanding your posts. I will quote them section by section to help you understand my confusion. I want to respond, but I really do not understand what you are confronting that I have said that you disagree with. Your point was that many children…..what? You...

A thesis? About what? Are you suggesting God was unjust in His actions? Also, how do you know anyone was pleading to get into the ark? It seems you are saying that because the kids were unjustly condemned, Jesus was giving them a second chance to be freed from the spiritual prison. First...

Awelight, I appreciate your thoughts and insightful response. I do not disagree that God’s foreknowledge applies to us a people. I would just not limit it to ONLY that. I think it also includes future events and is not limited to his knowledge of us as people. In my post above, there are...

Paul, thanks for your post. I always enjoy reading your thoughts on these matters and agree with much of your writing. I do think it is possible that God limits some of His future knowledge of events, but my gut reading of Scripture is that God‘s foreknowledge does consist of full awareness of...

Yes, the spirits of those who were disobedient in the face of God’s long suffering and waiting are now in prison. The point is that the baptized are saved and are now preaching to those who will also one day find their spirits in prison due to their persecution and mistreatment of the...

Yes, sounds like you got it. Christ’s Spirit (in Noah) preached salvation to —> the disobedient. The disobedient rejected are now in prison -> Noah was saved through water. Christ’s Spirit (in us) preaches salvation to -> the disobedient. The disobedient still reject and persecute us ->...

I am not sure how this is responding to my post.

Fair enough, it is my belief. But because I believe it I think it’s fair for me to say that he didn’t. I think posting it on a thread for discussion shows I understand not all will accept my position on it. However, I still havent seen anyone actually answer the objections I have laid out...

Ephesians 4 is referring to the incarnation, not Jesus going to hell. Jesus came to earth to give gifts to men and ascended back to heaven to fill all things. The Greek word in the Acts 2 text is “hades” which is “the abode of the dead.” It corresponds to the Hebrew word Sheol. It is not...

Yes. I think James is saying the same Spirit of Christ that raised Jesus from the dead was at work in Noah when he preached to the disobedient in his day, who are now condemned in prison. So, the point is, as Christians we shouldnt be discouraged when we suffer for righteousness sake. We will...

Even if this were the point Peter is making (which I dont even really understand how ”preaching” to people in Hell would be indicative of a greater “victory”), why would this matter to the topic at hand or Christians enduring persecution for righteousness sake?

While it is true, that “technically” Hell is Gehenna or the lake of fire described in Revelation that occurs after the Second Coming, we also see those in torment “in fire” in Jesus story about the rich man and Lazarus. That is why I put (or torment) in parenthesis. I disagree with your...

1 Peter 3:18–22 (ESV): For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when...

Thanks for the response. I fully understand that these things are weighty and I dont pretend to understand all the ways of God or that we are really even grasping the words we use when we imagine things such as eternity. However, I think it is an important topic to contemplate because I see...

Sorry, I am not sure I understand the question.

I would define ”time” as a “means of measuring distance through space” or something like that. That distance can include a succession of events. I am not making claims about nothing. I think one of two options must be true: 1. God exists outside time and therefore part of his nature is to...

You are right. It does not mean time is an attribute of God. It also doesn’t mean it isn’t. As I see it, if God is eternal, Scripture is posing one of the two claims: 1. God endures through time eternally. 2. God stands outside time It seems you land on #2. So while time may not be part...