Why Jerusalem?

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JaumeJ

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OK, why do the nations attack Jerusalem if your denominations is the whore?
Why do they not attack the denominations in Revelation and Insted attack Jerusalem?
It seems people , some people, cannot digest the understanding that the Two Witnesses will be slain and their bodies left in the square of the present Jerusalem for three days when our Father will say to them, Come up hither.
 

Shilohsfoal

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#22
It seems people , some people, cannot digest the understanding that the Two Witnesses will be slain and their bodies left in the square of the present Jerusalem for three days when our Father will say to them, Come up hither.
Thats what I'm saying, the beast does not attack Rome. It attacks the city of Jerusalem.
They attack the harlot and will make her desolate amd naked.
They don't care about Rome.

https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#24
1. Jerusalem is the woman who gave birth to Christ (chapter 13)

2. In scripture Babylon is the Harlot to whom Jerusalem commuted sin with not jerusalem itself

3 the harlot is destroyed

4 we are told when the armies are gathered outside Jerusalem they will be destroyed before they can destroy the city by Jesus himself

Just 4 of many reasons
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#25
Please don't change the subject.
Your avoiding the question.

Again. Revelation says the ten kings hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked and will burn her with fire.
Revelation says the harlot is a city that sits on seven hills.

The question is, why does scripture show them attacking Jerusalem and not Rome?
It’s attacking a system of worldwide scope. This can not be said if Jerusalem. You need to look at all the characteristics.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#26
If you read Revelation, you will find that the beast attacks and kills residents of Jerusalem. Revelation shows those residents laying dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three days.

Revelation says the harlot is a city that reigns over those nations and Revelation along with other scripture in the Bible show those nations attacking Jerusalem.

Relevation does not say the beast rules from Jerusalem. Those are your words. Not God's.
Revelation says the beast we I'll attack and kill the witnesses of Jerusalem.
um 2 people? That’s not a whole city
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#27
The son of perdition is not the beast.
So you deny God's word that the beast attacks and kills his witnesses in Jerusalem and that the Lord comes and fights against those nations which attack Jerusalem?
Actually yes he is

It is one of many names given to him
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#28
no the woman is Israel who is adorned in revelation 12 , the dragon pursues her into the desert where for a time she is kept safe , after that in 17 you see that Israel the woman had become a harlot . It’s the same woman it shows Israel’s giving and choosing in 12 , the messiah is born of her and taken to heaven and then she is pursued into the wilderness and eventually is seen rising on the scarlet beast who is the image of the dragon in 12

12 shows heaven spilling into the earth and 17 the result of the dragons authority being cast out
Do what????
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#30
They already hate her. You just havnt been listening to them.
Actually they love here she has influence throughout the world Eventually the beast will hate her and destroy her and the world will Morn her loss because she affected them so much
 

Shilohsfoal

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Actually they love here she has influence throughout the world Eventually the beast will hate her and destroy her and the world will Morn her loss because she affected them so much
You believe Iran loves Israel?
 

Shilohsfoal

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#32
It’s not jerusalem
jerusalem does Not fit For many reasons
Answer the question then.

Revelation says the ten horns of the beast hate the whore and will make her desolate and naked.
Revelation says the whore is a city.

Revelation as well asmany other books say they attack the city of Jerusalem.

Why do they attack Jerusalem and not Rome?
 
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#34
Answer the question then.

Revelation says the ten horns of the beast hate the whore and will make her desolate and naked.
Revelation says the whore is a city.

Revelation as well asmany other books say they attack the city of Jerusalem.

Why do they attack Jerusalem and not Rome?
I did. Go back and read my responses
 

Pilgrimshope

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#35
this woman is Israel shown in Her glory

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1‬ ‭

that’s Israel . The messiah is the son she was going to have

“And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:2, 5‬ ‭

That’s Jesus born as a sin of Israel, crucified and taken up to Gods throne

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-

this is when the covenant changed the messiah was exalted to the throne to rule all nations . When that happened the dragon Satan was cart out of heaven into this earth we live in . When he was cast out after Christ was exalted to the throne

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9, 12-

again that’s Israel who’s capitol is Jerusalem . The woman who bore the messiah . She then flees and is protected for a short time in the wilderness

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” ( the gospel )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:

later in revelation you see the woman who fled into the wilderness

“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when that time expires you see the same woman wearing different garments different jewels holding the cup of Gods wrath because the serpent works through the beast ( Appointed men) so you see them in the wilderness you see that her time of protection is over and the serpent corrupted her and she appears riding his beast

“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jerusalem as a whore is the subject of several prophecies . Her changing of her garments because of sin is also the subject of prophecy as was the messiahs coming and his eternal
Rule over all nations .

revelation is a vision of past present and future events from scripture leading to what is soon to come

“Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a perpetual nature to revelation it tells the whole story and leads to the future promise of God to believers a new heaven and earth the kingdom of God and his children


“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1, 3-5‬ ‭
 

Truth7t7

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#36
When discussing the Great Whore on Seven Hills, it is important to recognize she is also the Mother o whores.

Now from my study of the Word I see that the daughters of the RCC are the ensuing denominations............all whores.

This is spot on the subject.

Also it has been eluded to in this thread that the points of the star of David may be related to the horns mentioned in Revelation, ergo, my dresponse with my understanding of the origin of the star should be a valid continuation of the subject.
My study finds, Jerusalem/Israel is the Mother Of Harlots, mentioned as the whore/harlot throughout the Old Testament,as you allude to Rome falsely.

Below shows even greater evidence, as God mentions the raiment of this whore, being the priestly garments and jewels that decks the Harlot

Your search for the Harlot is before your eyes, why do many reject this plain and clear description?

To maintain a teaching in error, that Rome is the whore, mystery Babylon the great

Hoses 2:1-6KJV
1 Say ye unto your brethren, Ammi; and to your sisters, Ruhamah.
2 Plead with your mother, plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;
3 Lest I strip her naked, and set her as in the day that she was born, and make her as a wilderness, and set her like a dry land, and slay her with thirst.
4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.
6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.

Ezekiel16:14-20KJV
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God.
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
 
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#37
this woman is Israel shown in Her glory

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1‬ ‭

that’s Israel . The messiah is the son she was going to have

“And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:2, 5‬ ‭

That’s Jesus born as a sin of Israel, crucified and taken up to Gods throne

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-
I am with you up to here amen

this is when the covenant changed the messiah was exalted to the throne to rule all nations . When that happened the dragon Satan was cart out of heaven into this earth we live in . When he was cast out after Christ was exalted to the throne

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9, 12-[/qyote]

None of the above things have happened yet

Jesus is not ruling each nation

Satan is not bound he is roaming the earth and also in heaven accusing the saints daily.

again that’s Israel who’s capitol is Jerusalem . The woman who bore the messiah . She then flees and is protected for a short time in the wilderness

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” ( the gospel )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:

later in revelation you see the woman who fled into the wilderness

“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when that time expires you see the same woman wearing different garments different jewels holding the cup of Gods wrath because the serpent works through the beast ( Appointed men) so you see them in the wilderness you see that her time of protection is over and the serpent corrupted her and she appears riding his beast

“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
who taught you this? It is not the same woman. Babylon is alive today and has been since she lived in the place she got her name. She is queen of many in the OT. Baal worship Came from her. Greek and Roman mythology came from her. Her priests can trace themselves back to
Babylon and the tower of babel

It is not jerusalem

Jerusalem as a whore is the subject of several prophecies . Her changing of her garments because of sin is also the subject of prophecy as was the messiahs coming and his eternal
Rule over all nations .

revelation is a vision of past present and future events from scripture leading to what is soon to come

“Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a perpetual nature to revelation it tells the whole story and leads to the future promise of God to believers a new heaven and earth the kingdom of God and his children
Jerusalem is Gods city. It
Played the harlot she was
Never the harlot that is why she was destroyed multiple times and has yet to
Be totally rebuilt. She is not the harlot. I
Am Not sure who told you this but they are wrong

Jesus in Matt 24 told them to flee when they saw these things. Then there would be great tribulation which ends with the return of Christ and the end of gentile dominion as Paul said in rom 11 at this time all israel
And Jerusalem will be saved
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1, 3-5‬ ‭
let’s get the first part right first
 

Pilgrimshope

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#38
I am with you up to here amen
None of the above happened yet ? Satan was a heavenly being he was cast out of heaven when Christ was exalted to the throne . He is right now on this earth has been for two thousand years influencing sinners having his own temporary authority over this world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s Satan and his angels .

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why heaven was chrrring for themselves but shouting Woe to the earth Satan was cast out of heaven and into the earth

“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s been happening a long long time brother it’s why we’re told to put on the battle armor of God and make our stand against the devils plot because many are serving the god of this world rather then the God of truth

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a spiritual war happening on earth It began when Christ was risen and seated on the throne then Satan was cast out of heaven and into the earth where we are the inhabitants .

we have the gospel it’s the light in the darkness the darkness has a ruler who has authority over everyone outside the gospel By deception and blinding men to the truth of the gospel

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this world is covered in darkness we have a light that keeps us from the enemies plot and ploy to destroy us in this world
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#40
None of the above happened yet ? Satan was a heavenly being he was cast out of heaven when Christ was exalted to the throne . He is right now on this earth has been for two thousand years influencing sinners having his own temporary authority over this world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s Satan and his angels .

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why heaven was chrrring for themselves but shouting Woe to the earth Satan was cast out of heaven and into the earth

“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s been happening a long long time brother it’s why we’re told to put on the battle armor of God and make our stand against the devils plot because many are serving the god of this world rather then the God of truth

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a spiritual war happening on earth It began when Christ was risen and seated on the throne then Satan was cast out of heaven and into the earth where we are the inhabitants .

we have the gospel it’s the light in the darkness the darkness has a ruler who has authority over everyone outside the gospel By deception and blinding men to the truth of the gospel

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this world is covered in darkness we have a light that keeps us from the enemies plot and ploy to destroy us in this world
1. When Satan is cast out he will have no access to heaven. He has access to heaven now
2. when he is cast down, he knows his time is short so he will make war with the woman, but he can not touch her so he goes after her offspring
3. he is given a short time, time, times and half a,time (3.5 years)

these have yet to occure,