And lastly, I would like to include. They're speaking about the chosen elect. Those are the ones that were chosen amongst the community. To be one with Christ Divinity. We all have the opportunity to become one with Christ divinity. I don't believe that it's a requirement for you to be saved. But if you want to become a saint then it is required.
The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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This is what ties into mortification of the flesh.
The term mortification of the flesh comes from the Book of Romans 8:13 in the New Testament: "For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live."[11] The same idea is seen in other verses, such as Colossians 3:5 ("Put to death what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry")[12] and Galatians 5:24 ("And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires").[13] Support for such behavior in the Old Testament is found in some verses such as Proverbs 20:30: "Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts."[14]
The term mortification of the flesh comes from the Book of Romans 8:13 in the New Testament: "For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live."[11] The same idea is seen in other verses, such as Colossians 3:5 ("Put to death what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry")[12] and Galatians 5:24 ("And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires").[13] Support for such behavior in the Old Testament is found in some verses such as Proverbs 20:30: "Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts."[14]
Now these are all Bible quotes tying into the atonement of Christ and I want you to see how they tie into what I have shared. Also denying ourselves, taking up our cross, and following after Christ is essentially the foundation of how we are to respond to gods grace working in our lives.
1. Leviticus 16:29–34
“And this shall be a lasting statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth of the month, you must deny yourselves and you must not do any work, whether the native or the alien who is dwelling in your midst, because on this day he shall make atonement for you to cleanse you; you must be clean from all your sins before Yahweh. It is a Sabbath of complete rest for you, and you shall deny yourselves—it is a lasting statute. And the priest who is anointed and who is ordained to serve as a …
2. Isaiah 53:4–12
However, he was the one who lifted up our sicknesses, and he carried our pain, yet we ourselves assumed him stricken, struck down by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his wounds we were healed. All of us have wandered about like sheep; we each have turned to his own way; and Yahweh let fall on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; … Read Isaiah 53:4–12
3. Matthew 26:26–28
Now while they were eating Jesus took bread and, after giving thanks, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said, “Take, eat, this is my body.” And after taking the cup and giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Read Matthew 26:26–28
4. Romans 5:6–8
For while we were still helpless, yet at the proper time Christ died for the ungodly. For only rarely will someone die on behalf of a righteous person (for on behalf of a good person possibly someone might even dare to die), but God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Read Romans 5:6–8
5. 1 Corinthians 15:3
For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, Read 1 Corinthians 15:3
6. Hebrews 9:12–14
and not by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood, he entered once for all into the most holy place, obtaining eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow sprinkled on those who are defiled sanctify them for the ritual purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God? Read Hebrews 9:12–14
7. Revelation 5:9–10
And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
1. Leviticus 16:29–34
“And this shall be a lasting statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth of the month, you must deny yourselves and you must not do any work, whether the native or the alien who is dwelling in your midst, because on this day he shall make atonement for you to cleanse you; you must be clean from all your sins before Yahweh. It is a Sabbath of complete rest for you, and you shall deny yourselves—it is a lasting statute. And the priest who is anointed and who is ordained to serve as a …
2. Isaiah 53:4–12
However, he was the one who lifted up our sicknesses, and he carried our pain, yet we ourselves assumed him stricken, struck down by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his wounds we were healed. All of us have wandered about like sheep; we each have turned to his own way; and Yahweh let fall on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; … Read Isaiah 53:4–12
3. Matthew 26:26–28
Now while they were eating Jesus took bread and, after giving thanks, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said, “Take, eat, this is my body.” And after taking the cup and giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Read Matthew 26:26–28
4. Romans 5:6–8
For while we were still helpless, yet at the proper time Christ died for the ungodly. For only rarely will someone die on behalf of a righteous person (for on behalf of a good person possibly someone might even dare to die), but God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Read Romans 5:6–8
5. 1 Corinthians 15:3
For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, Read 1 Corinthians 15:3
6. Hebrews 9:12–14
and not by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood, he entered once for all into the most holy place, obtaining eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow sprinkled on those who are defiled sanctify them for the ritual purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God? Read Hebrews 9:12–14
7. Revelation 5:9–10
And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
... again you rip a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it ...Galatians 3:
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
the blessing of Abraham ... the promise of the Spirit ... is received the moment a person believes in the Lord Jesus Christ.
your erroneous dogma again fails when scrutinized under the full light of Scripture ...
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Hebrews 9:
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
The words "and to them that look" are translated from the Greek word apekdechomai which pictures waiting in great anticipation but with patience. Awaiting eagerly and expectantly for some future event and so to look forward eagerly.
What is alluded to in these verses beginning in Hebrews 9:23 is the Day of Atonement when the high priest would enter into the holy of holies with the blood of the sacrifice. The holy of holies was out of the sight of the people. The people would eagerly await the reappearance of the high priest and they rejoiced at his reappearance because they knew God had accepted their offering and their sins were covered.
At this point in time, our great High Priest is seated in the heavenly Holy of Holies and we eagerly await His return because at that point all God's promises concerning salvation will be fully realized!
Are you eagerly awaiting the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, brightfame52? He will return the second time ... not to deal with sin ... He will come with the salvation promised throughout all of Scripture. Search out, find, and believe those precious promises laid out in Scripture ... such a great blessing!!!
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26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
The words "and to them that look" are translated from the Greek word apekdechomai which pictures waiting in great anticipation but with patience. Awaiting eagerly and expectantly for some future event and so to look forward eagerly.
What is alluded to in these verses beginning in Hebrews 9:23 is the Day of Atonement when the high priest would enter into the holy of holies with the blood of the sacrifice. The holy of holies was out of the sight of the people. The people would eagerly await the reappearance of the high priest and they rejoiced at his reappearance because they knew God had accepted their offering and their sins were covered.
At this point in time, our great High Priest is seated in the heavenly Holy of Holies and we eagerly await His return because at that point all God's promises concerning salvation will be fully realized!
Are you eagerly awaiting the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, brightfame52? He will return the second time ... not to deal with sin ... He will come with the salvation promised throughout all of Scripture. Search out, find, and believe those precious promises laid out in Scripture ... such a great blessing!!!
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26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
My goodness, did you just word vomit, bright flame? And I know that's not your name, but that's the name I'm giving you. It seems to me that you're just looking for an easy way to get right with god. If I'm not mistaken, it's very clear that the way is narrow. If the way is narrow. It's not easily found, if it's not easily found then unfortunately, the way is not easy. You go ahead and follow your easy path that takes full responsibility off of your shoulders. Did God promise to take the full burden away from us? No, he said my yoke is easy and my burden is light, but he did not take the full burden away.
You're trying to walk a path free of burden. This is not what it means to follow christ.
You're trying to walk a path free of burden. This is not what it means to follow christ.
I'm trying to catch up with what the discussion is here. But I think I'm pretty familiar with your views, they seem to be reform views and I can understand that you want the reassurance and guarantee of your salvation. And that's really the appeal behind the reform view. As if there's any evidence of God's grace working in your life, then you're guaranteed as the chosen elect to have a eternal life with god. God died for all of our sins. All those who are willing to receive. And if you're not holy and living a holy life.Then why would you want to be in heaven?Were the requirement is for you to be holy.
As I have said before, when it comes to the chosen elect these are the saints that they had chosen amongst the community in acts. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolaus, a proselyte of Antioch. The congregation presented these men to the apostles. When the apostles had prayed, they laid their hands on the chosen men." (Acts 6:5-6). you have the apostles as well. This does not have anything to do with salvation. This is a special calling. Where one is sanctified and becomes holy. 1 with christ divinity divinity.They where used to go out and to proclaim to the world the gospel. To evangelize, and they worked in signs and wonders. This goes all the way back even to the Old Testament.
And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Here the author of Hebrews compares the sacrifices of Old Covenant priests, which had to be offered repeatedly, with the one sacrifice of Christ. Some of these Old sacrifices were offered daily (Heb. 10:11), and some less frequently, like the annual Passover and Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement sacrifices. The author of Hebrews makes the argument that Jesus fulfills the Day of Atonement sacrifices in Hebrews 9, especially verses 11-14.after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”
Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Because Christ’s one sacrifice culminated in everlasting glory, he continues to offer it in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf (Heb. 8:1-3). That’s why he holds his priesthood permanently(Heb. 7:23-25), even now interceding on our behalf (Heb. 9:23-24).
So Jesus is the high priest of heaven and he always lives to make intercession for us.
Jesus’ one sacrifice is made sacramentally present and offered anew according to the order of Melchizedek, i.e., under the forms of bread and wine (Gen. 14:18-20, Heb. 5:7-10, Matt. 26:26-29, Luke 22:19-20; Consequently, the words of the Lord’s Prayer—“Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven”—are nowhere more profoundly fulfilled because heaven and earth are united in a most perfect way that further fosters the redemption of mankind.
The author of Hebrews says that we “have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” The author then says similarly in verse fourteen, “For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.”
If Christ’s offering has sanctified us “once for all” and “for all time,” so it’s argued, then we don’t need to worry about mortal sins causing us to lose our salvation, since when God justifies us he forgives all our sins—past, present, and future.
Christ’s one sacrifice is sufficient to take away our sins (whenever we repent). He doesn’t have to offer himself again to merit the grace that forgives us of any new sins we commit. His death on the cross 2,000 years ago was sufficient.
Concerning verse fourteen, where we read that Christ has “perfected [teteleiōken] for all time those who are sanctified,” in light of the above passages we know that the author can’t mean that our future sins are forgiven. Therefore, he must mean something else.
A plausible reading is that Christ’s sacrifice makes complete provision for Christians of all times to achieve their goal of perfection. Not only does the Greek word teteleiōken (“he has perfected”) allow for such a reading, it would also fit the context that speaks of Christ’s death precluding any further sacrifices for sins.
Furthermore, the phrase “those who are sanctified” can be translated “those who are beingsanctified” (as it is in the ESV translation). The present participle suggests that there is an ongoing application of the merits of Christ’s single offering, unlike the Old Testament sacrifices, which needed to be constantly repeated. This militates against the way the challenge interprets the text, since if our future sins were already forgiven there would be no need for a continuous application of Christ’s merits.
If Christ’s offering has sanctified us “once for all” and “for all time,” so it’s argued, then we don’t need to worry about mortal sins causing us to lose our salvation, since when God justifies us he forgives all our sins—past, present, and future.
Christ’s one sacrifice is sufficient to take away our sins (whenever we repent). He doesn’t have to offer himself again to merit the grace that forgives us of any new sins we commit. His death on the cross 2,000 years ago was sufficient.
Concerning verse fourteen, where we read that Christ has “perfected [teteleiōken] for all time those who are sanctified,” in light of the above passages we know that the author can’t mean that our future sins are forgiven. Therefore, he must mean something else.
A plausible reading is that Christ’s sacrifice makes complete provision for Christians of all times to achieve their goal of perfection. Not only does the Greek word teteleiōken (“he has perfected”) allow for such a reading, it would also fit the context that speaks of Christ’s death precluding any further sacrifices for sins.
Furthermore, the phrase “those who are sanctified” can be translated “those who are beingsanctified” (as it is in the ESV translation). The present participle suggests that there is an ongoing application of the merits of Christ’s single offering, unlike the Old Testament sacrifices, which needed to be constantly repeated. This militates against the way the challenge interprets the text, since if our future sins were already forgiven there would be no need for a continuous application of Christ’s merits.
“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after.... I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 3:12-15)....