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Originally Posted by VW
Edwin,
There is just some confusion in this area. Really, I see that there is no one who is denying Jesus Christ the Son, that He is who came to earth and took upon Himself flesh. And He is separate yet one with the Father. And He even had commandment from the Father to lay down His life and take it up again. I won't say that they are all three equal, because Jesus said of His Father that no one could take us out of His hand, (the Father's hand,) because He (the Father) is greater than all. And also, Jesus said that His Father has given Jesus all judgment, so that all might honor the Son. And the kingdom will continue in the Son's hands until every enemy of the Son is made a footstool under His feet, and then He will deliver up the kingdom to His Father.
All this to say that the Father is greater than the Son, holds a higher place in heaven. But this in no way minimizes the deity of the Son. He is fully God, and in Him dwells the Godhead fully. By this Paul is saying that God resides in Jesus fully, but beyond that, in Him is the full nature of the Godhead.
He is the Son. He is the heir, and in Him we have become joint heirs. Because He came for us, at His Father's command.
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Hi Vic,
Yes most of the people here deny Jesus Christ. They say that God came in the flesh ,the son of Mary, Jesus Christ. That is rejecting the Son of God, through whom creation was made, who existed before the world was made and who holds creation together.
If they believe it in their heart that the Son of God became flesh, then let them say it with their mouth or else they do not believe and therefore are not saved.
I, like you, don't believe they are equal because of the scripture you quoted, because God is always the one who makes the decisions and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are obeying. Yes the Father has given all authority to the Son, but it was the Father who gave it to the Son, not a board room meeting nor the Son taking from the Father.
But I don't want to have too many issues on the table at one time.
I would desperately love to have people accept Jesus Christ as the Son who came down from heaven in obedience to His Father.
love
edwin