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Originally Posted by ed
Hi Vic,
Yes most of the people here deny Jesus Christ. They say that God came in the flesh ,the son of Mary, Jesus Christ. That is rejecting the Son of God, through whom creation was made, who existed before the world was made and who holds creation together.
If they believe it in their heart that the Son of God became flesh, then let them say it with their mouth or else they do not believe and therefore are not saved.
I, like you, don't believe they are equal because of the scripture you quoted, because God is always the one who makes the decisions and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are obeying. Yes the Father has given all authority to the Son, but it was the Father who gave it to the Son, not a board room meeting nor the Son taking from the Father.
But I don't want to have too many issues on the table at one time.
I would desperately love to have people accept Jesus Christ as the Son who came down from heaven in obedience to His Father.
love
edwin
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Edwin,
I don't call ahat they do rejecting the Son, and frankly, this is what is causing the trouble. They acknowledge the Son, but consider Him as fully God, just as you and I do. I even think that they all would admit to the subservient position that the Son has in relationship to the Father. I mean, the Lord did sY to my Lord to sit at His right hand, and He did give Him a name above every name, and to have life in Himself, even as the Father has life in Himself. I believe language is our undoing here.
What has always amazed me is how Paul wrote that we have died, and our lives are hid in God with Jesus Christ. I know that we are in Jesus, but also in the Father, if this was Paul's intent.
Anyway, there is no doubt in my mind that the Son is in submission to the Father. At the same time , I cannot see Jesus as being one bit less God than the Father. The same for the Holy Spirit. They all three make up the Godhead and are inseparable. They cannot be taken one without the others. And while in our way of things, one submitted to another is by necessity less than the one submitted to, I think it would be a grave mistake to consider the Son or the Spirit in a lessor light than the Father. I believe the Father would be the One to take exception. And while one can speak against the Father or the Son and it be forgiven them, there is no provision for speaking against the Spirit and receiving forgiveness for that.
All this to ask you to consider that no is really denying the Son, but just using different words to describe Him.
Blessings in His name,
Vic