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Originally Posted by VW
Nowhere does it say that it is the standard of truth. That is only an assumption, one which has existed for a long time. Do you know why the church wanted to keep the people from reading scripture? Because when one reads seeking to learn from God, then God does an amazing thing, He gives them the Spirit to teach them the truth. This the religious leaders could not have, because then they would be threatened in their places of power, which they held by lying to the people about what God wants from them. To depend on what leaders teach, to only have the truth that they say, is the same thing in effect and result.
The scripture is true, because it is from God. What another says that the scripture says in not necessarily true, only if the Spirit witnesses to it. Again, reliance on God, not on man.
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Hi Vic,
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree we don't depend on mans teaching. And it is very true the Chruch in the middle ages where against the 'ordinary man' from reading scripture on his own. However, Scripture is the 'Living word of God' breathed out inspired by God, so that we would know the Truth. Yes you are also correct that the Holy Spirit in us reveals the truth in 'Scripture' for He himself inspired its writers.
Now, You are using segments of church history to try and show that Pastors are wrong and there is no need for them, to be honest and frank that is shocking Vic, of course, it may be a way of appeasing a skewed view of church.
I have certainly realised in the last couple of days why we need faithful preachers who preach and teach the truth of Scripture week in week out. and just because there are wolves in sheeps clothing, that should not put you of finding a good bible believing church.
We rely on God not man you are also correct, but your use of that clause to put peope of from learning scripture being taught scripture. I can understand where you are coming from.
But don't you rely on man, if you just hear a voice. as you say you dont see scripture as the standard of truth! you are a fallen creature like the rest of us.. are you sure what you hear is truth??? We trust on our pastors to teach the truth to the best of their God given ability, However, we do rely on God to give them wisdom and knowledge to teach GODS WORD! we also do our own study of scripture, this the Holy spirit will guide us, but we do not rely on our own fallen natures Vic.. do you?
Anyhow, it has not been easy reply to you all while at work the last few days. very hard to give al my concentration, but hopefully when I am off, I will give you a good further reply.
Thank you
Blessings
Phil