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Old May 1st, 2009
dane_g87
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Default Re: Do Christians who commit suicide go to Heaven?

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Originally Posted by Piano_hero View Post
yes, thats the only difference. the motive., but the act is still the same. its still suicide just with a different motive. so we agree . Samson committed more of a text book suicide than those that get assisted suicided . Suicide has nothign to di with motive in its definition. The definition makes no mention of "not in Gods will" or "Gods will" making a differnece in wheter its suicide or not . You are right, teh prohibityion is in calling someone a fool idly is in danger of hell fire. you fit this scenerio since A.i am right first of all, and B. even if i werent that wouldnt be sufficiant to warrant the "fool" as any spiritual person knows and has better self control . and i agree with james that fools believe that we are saved by faith only
- There is more than just one difference. The motive, condition, spiritual state, circumstances, nature, and more are all different and contradictory. The act is not the same, and we do not agree.

- Samson did not commit a "textbook suicide," and those that receive assisted suicide are committing suicide just the same as someone who personally did it. God does not look at the physical action so much that He ignores the motive in the heart, which is identical in both the person who physically kills themself, and the one who consents to assisted suicide. God judges not only physical actions, but moreso what's in the heart.

- Everything we do is related to the motive and spirit behind the actions or words, because we are spiritual beings, and the law of God set forth is spiritual as well, and it's purpose is to convict us of not only our actions and words but also our hearts and minds, motives, thoughts, and spirituality.

- The prohibition Jesus exclusively mentioned in Matthew 5:21-22 was having unrighteous anger and acting upon it with insulting or condemning speech. I do not fit this scenario since I have not had or expressed unrighteous anger.

- You are not right but only in your own eyes. The fact that I have called you spiritually blind, and that the Bible has also declared that those who believe they are right in their own eyes are spiritually blind, carries some significance. Anybody who tramples upon the word of God, anybody who doesn't believe in the truth of God, anybody who is spiritually immature, and anybody who lacks spiritual understanding and knowledge, who tries to go on and teach others based on this, warrants the "fool" by evidence and example of Scripture.

- James was not teaching that those who believe in salvation by faith only are fools. Doing so would contradict the teachings of Jesus and Paul, who taught that salvation is not by works, or by faith, but by the grace of God. We are saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8) which we receive through faith and is manifested by works. We are not saved by works. James simply explained that true faith reveals itself with good works, so that the person who does not have works, likewise has no faith, or dead faith.