Bible question

[phil112]

I asked this privately and will put it on the open forum on the chance someone may help.

I have something I would like to know about prophecy, and perhaps someone can help me with it. Prophecy is not something that I am inclined to study much, but it has come to my attention as of late and I am drawn to a couple of things. The question for is this; can anyone tell me, with a degree of certainty, how much time before a prophesied event occurred, that people knew about it? I don't mean knew about the prophecy, but when it was known for a fact exactly what was going to happen. We can look back and identify some of these things, as they are by now apparent. But is there one or more times where the exact event was known before it occurred?
For instance, we knew what the handwriting on the wall meant, it was told to the king, but no one knew when, or exactly in what manner, that prophecy would be fulfilled.
Are there any credible instances of prior knowledge of such information being known, or do they only become clear upon fulfillment?

 

[Therapon]

I asked this privately and will put it on the open forum on the chance someone may help.

I have something I would like to know about prophecy, and perhaps someone can help me with it. Prophecy is not something that I am inclined to study much, but it has come to my attention as of late and I am drawn to a couple of things. The question for is this; can anyone tell me, with a degree of certainty, how much time before a prophesied event occurred, that people knew about it? I don't mean knew about the prophecy, but when it was known for a fact exactly what was going to happen. We can look back and identify some of these things, as they are by now apparent. But is there one or more times where the exact event was known before it occurred?
For instance, we knew what the handwriting on the wall meant, it was told to the king, but no one knew when, or exactly in what manner, that prophecy would be fulfilled.
Are there any credible instances of prior knowledge of such information being known, or do they only become clear upon fulfillment?

Many prophets like Jeremiah understood their prophecies about the fall of Israel, Judah and some of the surrounding nations, however, aside from Joseph's prophecies in Genesis 37, only one Old Testament prophet, Daniel 10:1, understood his visionary prophecies about the future in the generation in which they were given.

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

A perfect example in Scripture regarding the knowledge of an exact time of fulfillment would be the prophecy of the coming Messiah. Daniel 9:25-27 gives an exact timeframe of Jesus' public ministry as the Messiah and His death. It is unfortunate that the majority of the people living during His ministry failed to see Him in the Scripture.

God Bless

 

[Mem]

Joseph: A biblical approach to dream interpretation, R. J. Hendel (2011) wrote a journal published in the Jewish Bible Quarterly of the account of Joseph's prophetic dream and explained how it is something that is not known at the time of the vision but that is revealed in time.

 

[phil112]

A perfect example in Scripture regarding the knowledge of an exact time of fulfillment would be the prophecy of the coming Messiah. Daniel 9:25-27 gives an exact timeframe of Jesus' public ministry as the Messiah and His death. It is unfortunate that the majority of the people living during His ministry failed to see Him in the Scripture.

God Bless

You misunderstood the question. At what point in time did someone know EXACTLY what, when, why, who, and how it occurred? Not retroactively. BEFORE it happened.

 

[JesusIsAll]

There was the prophecy of weeks in Daniel, after 69 weeks (483 lunar years) Messiah coming and dying, which happened. Same prophecy involved the rebuilding of Jerusalem, the prophets knew when. There was the 70 years Babylonian captivity of Israel. There was the generation, 40 years, in the wilderness of Moses time. Pharaoh got warning of what was being laid on him by Moses. There are a lot of historic kingdom sequences in Daniel. I suppose, though a long time, Noah pretty well knew that, when the ark was complete, the world would be in for stormy weather, some knew of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah shortly before that event. Actually, a lot of prophecies of battle victories and the like, people told this or that would come true in their lives. But many prophecies that could have been known aren't recognized until they happen, the suffering Messiah of Jesus Christ not realized by even His apostles or seen in the Old Testament as easily as we do, on hindsight of the events in our Lord's life. The prophecy of weeks a hindsight sort of thing: we count it now, but they didn't see it then. So, I suppose it's a mixed bag. Now, we don't know when the Lord will come for His bride and the seals of Revelation opened, only see a general buildup in such as the Middle East and the world getting slimier. But we do know it will all happen, just as stated in the Bible, the second coming just as real as the first. The Lord tends to generally warn, a lot, and give a long time to repent, but His actions are sudden and swift when they arrive,

Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Many prophets like Jeremiah understood their prophecies about the fall of Israel, Judah and some of the surrounding nations, however, aside from Joseph's prophecies in Genesis 37, only one Old Testament prophet, Daniel 10:1, understood his visionary prophecies about the future in the generation in which they were given.

Yes, there was the 7 years of famine Pharaoh was instructed by Joseph.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Our Lord Jesus told His apostles what would happen to Him, that He would suffer and die, and rise again, though the Lord was sometimes cryptic. He foretold the destruction of the temple, not saying exactly when, though a clue it would be because Israel didn't recognize the hour of their visitation by the Lord Jesus, a punishment on that generation.

 

[JesusIsAll]

What about the wise men and the star of Bethlehem? There's some realtime prophecy action. God doesn't give dates ans times, perse, but the Bible is full of prophecies in peoples' lives, where the Lord directed prophets and others in very real actions, to certain ends.

 

[Jason0047]

Abraham:

John 8:56
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

 

[Therapon]

Yes, there was the 7 years of famine Pharaoh was instructed by Joseph.

Yeah, I forgot. There are a few other examples, too, as others have mentioned. That was why I was careful to say "visionary" prophecies, all of which are figurative in nature.

 

[Mem]

2 Kings 20 Isaiah prophesied of Hezekiah's eminent death, and before leaving, get a word the closest thing (that I can think of) to an exact time in the term of an extended 15 years of life for Hezekiah.

 

[royalscot]

to seek/speak to god, or god to seek /speak to you, prophets. christains in spirit. etc
personal relationship , direct to god. by via dream ,vision, or voice or from what has been writen. etc

prophesied
1)pridict or (god pridict for them, (a life , walk or placement in some other land. etc)by the writen account you can see this)ie the bible account ) in some of the prophets.
2)speak or write by divine insperation. (how the bible came into being, ie there account wrote many years ago etc)

some of old testament prophets, never knew till later, in life what god was telling them personally.
for exmple, Genesis 37: Joseph's Dreams

daniel prayed to god , to get answers to nebs(for short) dreams.
Daniel 12: The Time of the End
8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, "O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?"9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand

death comes to all, but threw, what was writen, connects to the bigger plan, ie god s plan through out history.

death being conquered.
Acts 2: The Coming of the Holy Spirit

17 "'And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.1 Corinthians 12: Spiritual Gifts



do you seek a personal, relationship with god.

if you already have, a personal relationship.

Ask, and It Will Be Given
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Matthew 7


29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.


5 And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven16 and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies,18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."Genesis 22:

 

[phil112]

What I am trying to determine is something I think. It has been on my mind. Prophecy is not something to be taken lightly, and those who profess knowledge without having any lose ALL credibility.

Here is what I think, and no one here, or anywhere else for that matter, has proven me to be in error - as of yet. Whether it was the famine, Christs coming, His death, the handwriting on the wall.....Of course we knew it was going to happen, but no one knew how or exactly when. That is until it happened. The famine could have been caused by war, drought, politics(which is how they occur today)....any number of ways, yet they didn't know how God was going to do it until it was done.

We know the end is coming, and maybe some of us know at whose hands. But we don't know anything for sure until that day. Here is what occurred to me, and I think something we should all keep in mind. Not one time in the history of God's dealing with His creation, us, has He told us those details. Therefore, when we someone presenting something to us in detail we need to ask one thing before we lend ear: Is this person giving us something from God that He has never ever given another man? Is this person's walk with God so special that he alone is being gifted above all others?

I have read a lot of books, a lot of thoughts and opinions, on bible meaning. I have seen men that clearly had a close walk with the Lord allow self to take over somewhere in his thinking and muddy his dissertation.

The old man will do that. He will take over when we should be shushing him. There comes a point in every prophecy yet to be fulfilled where we no longer have that knowledge from God. Why? Because God has not, and does not, tell us every single bit of it. The flesh has a tendency to take over. We project what WE think and try to make it as something we got from God.

I, as have you I am sure, seen people say that Russia, China, and others will be the foe that brings about Armaggedon. The point is, we just don't know for sure. Not yet. When you hear someone making such a claim, be cautious about accepting it. Look at that person. Try the spirits. Ascertain their fruits. But after all that, keep in mind that even Godly men have been, can be, and will in the future be, misled.

 

[TheClimaxWarrior]

God time is His time and it is always perfect, even with Prophecies. With the return of the Lord however we just got to go about our daily lives and live out to share the GOSPEL. From there it is a matter of the unknowing for the Lord will return in a blink of an eye like a thief in the night.

I never thought of the sequential timing factor phil112 but it is an interesting point. Just sharing what my perception. I hope it is in align to your question though I think it is...bahahahaha

 

[dcontroversal]

I taught 4 years ago the following which I got from the burdens and woes of Jeremiah and Isaiah.....

1. That we would be overflying Syria and bombing in Syria
2. The deposing of Mubarak, and Prince would come on line for a short space Morsi and then a wicked King would be elected (El Sisi) name?
3. That the Leader of Lybia, Qaddafi would be desposed

and a few other things......I did not know the exact time, but that it would be shortly before the end of the age commences......

I also believe the U.S. is in scripture as the Daughter of Babylon as found in Jeremiah 50-51, Psalm 137, Isaiah 13, 21 and 47 as blended in with the fall of classical Babylon...She is called the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS and has some 80 characteristics that have a 10.5 billion to one of which nation it is when the math is done.....SHe falls in a strike that comes from the North from THENCE and it burns her cities with fire that comes from under the shadow of a cloud with the tempest of a storm and it kills ALL of HER young men of war in ONE hour...SHE is identified by HER national symbols of and EAGLE and is called THE LADY of the KINDGOMS<--LADY LIBERTY and the strike cause the earth to undulate and quake and the noise is heard around the world..

The woes and burdens contain MODERN WEAPONERY, Nuclear WAR and MODERN FLIGHT.....MUCH to learn for sure when studied in context while dissecting EVERY word from the HEBREW!

Just a few thoughts for sure......!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Therefore, when we someone presenting something to us in detail we need to ask one thing before we lend ear: Is this person giving us something from God that He has never ever given another man? Is this person's walk with God so special that he alone is being gifted above all others?

I would challenge anybody to name one future prophet of the Lord, with the credentials of such a prophet by the Holy Ghost of being "thus saith the Lord" and 100% accurate, one such prophet who exists in this world, or has existed the past 200 years, whatever. Name just one. Now, the list of the deluded or liars and their false prophecies could go on for pages. The many date setters who set dates of yesterdays have 100% failed. We have so-called prophecies of destruction floating around out there, which disagree in the details.

It behooves anybody to stick with the Bible, as opposed to people trying to write bestseller books, all of which, from what I've seen, are peddling bad exegesis and eschatology, some outright inventions not even in the Bible. And remember,

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Is somebody claiming to prophesy the future? This is the first red flag!

 

[Therapon]

Joseph: A biblical approach to dream interpretation, R. J. Hendel (2011) wrote a journal published in the Jewish Bible Quarterly of the account of Joseph's prophetic dream and explained how it is something that is not known at the time of the vision but that is revealed in time.

Exactly so, and I believe the same is true of all prophetic visions. All, including Revelation's visions, are figurative in nature. A literal interpretation of a figurative vision leads to false doctrine, none more obvious than the ever so popular pre-millennial position, a literal interpretation of Revelation 20's figurative picture of the Christian era.

 

[Therapon]

It behooves anybody to stick with the Bible, as opposed to people trying to write bestseller books, all of which, from what I've seen, are peddling bad exegesis and eschatology, some outright inventions not even in the Bible.

My, my! Well, I love Jesus, too! "Islam in the End Times" is one book you obviously haven't read and it is not sold for money, it may be downloaded FREE from w,ww.EllisSkolfield.com. Tell you what, if you can find a single thing in that book that misuses Scripture, is dishonest or dishonors the Lord in any way, I'll publicly repent on CC for writing it and take it off the the market. Fair enough?

 

[dcontroversal]

Exactly so, and I believe the same is true of all prophetic visions. All, including Revelation's visions, are figurative in nature. A literal interpretation of a figurative vision leads to false doctrine, none more obvious than the ever so popular pre-millennial position, a literal interpretation of Revelation 20's figurative picture of the Christian era.

This view also leads to spiritualizing away certain truths, and to say that all visions are figures of speech seems to contradict the absolutisms of actual EVENTS that are being described....SUCH as the SUN, MOON and STARS not giving their LIGHT.....and or SAINTS having their HEADS cut off for failing to take the MARK of the beast......this too can lead to faulty conclusions that miss the mark!