The one verse of the bible I have trouble accepting

[womanofchrist28]

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. Proverbs 13:24

Every time I read this verse I always say "we will see about that". I do not have children yet hopefully God will bless me with them one day. But, every time I think of "spanking" my child I feel so bad and guilty I do not want to I could never do it I would cry and cry if I did. But on the other hand I feel even more guilty about not accept this part of God's word. I grew up this way I know lots of people who did. My parents taught me from a young age A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not respond to rebukes. Proverbs 13:1. I know I turned out find but I just cant bring myself to accept doing this. I feel so bad about not obey God's word. Does anyone know how I can get over this mind block?

 

[crossnote]

It is a good thing...in moderation and letting the child know it hurts you as much as him/her.

God follows His own advise in Proverbs here in Hebrews.

and ye have forgotten the exhortation that doth speak fully with you as with sons, `My son, be not despising chastening of the Lord, nor be faint, being reproved by Him, for whom the Lord doth love He doth chasten, and He scourgeth every son whom He receiveth;' if chastening ye endure, as to sons God beareth Himself to you, for who is a son whom a father doth not chasten? and if ye are apart from chastening, of which all have become partakers, then bastards are ye, and not sons. Then, indeed, fathers of our flesh we have had, chastising us , and we were reverencing them ; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of the spirits, and live? for they, indeed, for a few days, according to what seemed good to them, were chastening, but He for profit, to be partakers of His separation; and all chastening for the present, indeed, doth not seem to be of joy, but of sorrow, yet afterward the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those exercised through it--it doth yield.
(Heb 12:5-11)

Also kids are different, some are so sensitive all it takes is a 'look'.

 

[womanofchrist28]

It is a good thing...in moderation and letting the child know it hurts you as much as him/her.

God follows His own advise in Proverbs here in Hebrews.

and ye have forgotten the exhortation that doth speak fully with you as with sons, `My son, be not despising chastening of the Lord, nor be faint, being reproved by Him, for whom the Lord doth love He doth chasten, and He scourgeth every son whom He receiveth;' if chastening ye endure, as to sons God beareth Himself to you, for who is a son whom a father doth not chasten? and if ye are apart from chastening, of which all have become partakers, then bastards are ye, and not sons. Then, indeed, fathers of our flesh we have had, chastising us , and we were reverencing them ; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of the spirits, and live? for they, indeed, for a few days, according to what seemed good to them, were chastening, but He for profit, to be partakers of His separation; and all chastening for the present, indeed, doth not seem to be of joy, but of sorrow, yet afterward the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those exercised through it--it doth yield.
(Heb 12:5-11)

Also kids are different, some are so sensitive all it takes is a 'look'.

I do not think I ever will it brings tears to my eyes even thinking about it which is completely ridiculous because I do not have children yet

 

[Jason0047]

Yep. I was just going to quote the same passage from Hebrews 12. If you are having trouble with a verse I first do cross reference search.at open bible. Info

Prov 13:24 Cross References (9 Verses)

I also look at bible commentaries, Christian articles, ask God, and discuss it with other believers.

Things are different under the New Testament. We can discipline, but I don't think that involves an actual rod, though.

 

[crossnote]

I do not think I ever will it brings tears to my eyes even thinking about it which is completely ridiculous because I do not have children yet

Before you do have children, hang around some undisciplined children for a while and then some disciplined children (if you can find any anymore).

 

[Laodicea]

Having children, having to bring them up and discipline them will give you insight to God and who He is and His character by experience that we cannot learn by reading books.

Angels are not able to have children so we can have insight and understanding about God that they cannot.
God does not delight in the death of the wicked and is working for our salvation.

 

[elf3]

Now this might be and probably is my own opinion but you know why I think many people don't like this passage...Because we don't like it when God disciplines us.

Undisciplined children run amuck. Undisciplined Christians run amuck.

We don't like it ourselves so we don't do it. But I discipline my kids and I'll tell you what...they are better for it. God disciplines me and I am better for it.

But like I said just my opinion. Sorry I am not using Scripture to back this up but if I did someone would just twist it anyway. Do a study on discipline and let the Holy Spirit guide you like He did me.

 

[Jason0047]

Seeing we are to turn the other cheek and we are to love our enemies, and do good to those who do evil towards us, I think it is a safe bet that either this OT Command has either been rescinded by the Commands of the New Testament or the passage is speaking metaphorically. I will do some research on this passage.

 

[womanofchrist28]

Seeing we are to turn the other cheek and we are to love our enemies, and do good to those who do evil towards us, I think it is a safe bet that either this OT Command has either been rescinded by the Commands of the New Testament or the passage is speaking metaphorically. I will do some research on this passage.

Okay thank you

 

[Percepi]

It is a good thing...in moderation and letting the child know it hurts you as much as him/her.

I'm sorry, but are you kidding me?

1. You're lying to your child when you say this.
~1.1 Physically, your child's bottom will hurt more than your hand.
~1.2 There's no way you're going to be more emotionally hurt than your child when you're the one spanking them.
~1.2.1 Parents who spank frequently rarely feel much emotional pain.
2. Your children might be gullible, but they aren't THAT gullible!
~2.1 Your child will read your emotions, and your anger will not translate to pain.
~2.2 Even if you child would potentially believe you, that all goes out the window when you say it as you're hurting them.

Please, never say, "This hurts me more than it hurts you." Nobody is falling for it except for maybe yourself. And if you think you're feeling as much pain as your child when you spank them, you have some real sympathy issues.

I understand parents do tend to feel horrible when they spank their children, but their pain is absolutely nothing compared to how their children feel.

Every time I read this verse I always say "we will see about that". I do not have children yet hopefully God will bless me with them one day. But, every time I think of "spanking" my child I feel so bad and guilty I do not want to I could never do it I would cry and cry if I did. But on the other hand I feel even more guilty about not accept this part of God's word. I grew up this way I know lots of people who did. My parents taught me from a young age A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not respond to rebukes. Proverbs 13:1. I know I turned out find but I just cant bring myself to accept doing this. I feel so bad about not obey God's word. Does anyone know how I can get over this mind block?

You can actually study the effects of spankings compared to alternative means of discipline. Of course, you're not willing to compromise your religious views - which means you will ignore whatever results that might counter what you've grown up being taught.

Numerous studies show that spankings have negative effects on children. I heard that there's little effect when children are only spanked occasionally, but why bother if there's little effect and no positive effect?

I'm not a Christian though, so I'm sure my advice won't sway you , nor the advice from other secular sources. Therefore, I suggest you talk to parents who have raised their children successfully without relying on spankings. Always be weary of the "I've seen kids who haven't been spanked, they never mind the rules." There's a difference between not spanking and not disciplining your children at all.

 

[gzusfrk]

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. Proverbs 13:24

Every time I read this verse I always say "we will see about that". I do not have children yet hopefully God will bless me with them one day. But, every time I think of "spanking" my child I feel so bad and guilty I do not want to I could never do it I would cry and cry if I did. But on the other hand I feel even more guilty about not accept this part of God's word. I grew up this way I know lots of people who did. My parents taught me from a young age A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not respond to rebukes. Proverbs 13:1. I know I turned out find but I just cant bring myself to accept doing this. I feel so bad about not obey God's word. Does anyone know how I can get over this mind block?

When your child runs out into the street into oncoming traffic,or gets ready to stick a pair of scissor's in a 220 outlet,you might feel differently.

 

[Revelator7]

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. Proverbs 13:24

Every time I read this verse I always say "we will see about that". I do not have children yet hopefully God will bless me with them one day. But, every time I think of "spanking" my child I feel so bad and guilty I do not want to I could never do it I would cry and cry if I did. But on the other hand I feel even more guilty about not accept this part of God's word. I grew up this way I know lots of people who did. My parents taught me from a young age A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not respond to rebukes. Proverbs 13:1. I know I turned out find but I just cant bring myself to accept doing this. I feel so bad about not obey God's word. Does anyone know how I can get over this mind block?

Some kids don't respond to spanking. On some kids it doesn't work. On this type of kid you would probably need to take things away from them as form of discipline. the rod can be whatever you want it to be. it doesn't have to be a literal rod. it can be a figurative rod. putting them in the corner might be a rod. not giving them sweets for a period of time could be a rod.

 

[Percepi]

When your child runs out into the street into oncoming traffic,or gets ready to stick a pair of scissor's in a 220 outlet,you might feel differently.

Because a stern scolding followed by the simple explanation, "You will get KILLED" isn't enough?

 

[Flamingspirit]

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. Proverbs 13:24

Every time I read this verse I always say "we will see about that". I do not have children yet hopefully God will bless me with them one day. But, every time I think of "spanking" my child I feel so bad and guilty I do not want to I could never do it I would cry and cry if I did. But on the other hand I feel even more guilty about not accept this part of God's word. I grew up this way I know lots of people who did. My parents taught me from a young age A wise son heeds his father's instruction, but a mocker does not respond to rebukes. Proverbs 13:1. I know I turned out find but I just cant bring myself to accept doing this. I feel so bad about not obey God's word. Does anyone know how I can get over this mind block?

This isn't about simply spanking kids, but about God and His relationship towards mankind. Without the rod we would not learn to reject evil and be ruined. All who God loves He rebukes and chastises even unto death.

 

[womanofchrist28]

I'm sorry, but are you kidding me?

1. You're lying to your child when you say this.
~1.1 Physically, your child's bottom will hurt more than your hand.
~1.2 There's no way you're going to be more emotionally hurt than your child when you're the one spanking them.
~1.2.1 Parents who spank frequently rarely feel much emotional pain.
2. Your children might be gullible, but they aren't THAT gullible!
~2.1 Your child will read your emotions, and your anger will not translate to pain.
~2.2 Even if you child would potentially believe you, that all goes out the window when you say it as you're hurting them.

Please, never say, "This hurts me more than it hurts you." Nobody is falling for it except for maybe yourself. And if you think you're feeling as much pain as your child when you spank them, you have some real sympathy issues.

I understand parents do tend to feel horrible when they spank their children, but their pain is absolutely nothing compared to how their children feel.



You can actually study the effects of spankings compared to alternative means of discipline. Of course, you're not willing to compromise your religious views - which means you will ignore whatever results that might counter what you've grown up being taught.

Numerous studies show that spankings have negative effects on children. I heard that there's little effect when children are only spanked occasionally, but why bother if there's little effect and no positive effect?

I'm not a Christian though, so I'm sure my advice won't sway you as well as the advice from other secular sources. Therefore, I suggest you talk to parents who have raised their children successfully without relying on spankings. Always be weary of the "I've seen kids who haven't been spanked, they never mind the rules." There's a difference between not spanking and not disciplining your children at all.

I know there are other forms of discipline I also know the affects of spank like how it makes a girl start puberty earlier which part of the reason I feel so guilty just thinking about it. What I guess I am wondering is it still acceptable to God to discipline in other ways?

 

[gzusfrk]

Because a stern scolding followed by the simple explanation, "You will get KILLED" isn't enough?

You and me know what death is, not so sure a 4 year can grasp that, but I could be wrong

 

[womanofchrist28]

When your child runs out into the street into oncoming traffic,or gets ready to stick a pair of scissor's in a 220 outlet,you might feel differently.

Lol I never did that when I was a kid I believe that if any of those this happen it is the parents fault why would I let a child to young to understand the concept of if you put scissor's in an outlet you might die have the scissors in the first place also I would never let a child to young to understand the concept of if you go in the street you might get hit by a car anywhere near the road with out my full attention

 

[Revelator7]

I know there are other forms of discipline I also know the affects of spank like how it makes a girl start puberty earlier which part of the reason I feel so guilty just thinking about it. What I guess I am wondering is it still acceptable to God to discipline in other ways?

It is acceptable to God to discipline in other ways. Hebrews 12:10 says that our fathers disciplined as they thought best. To discipline as you think best means in which way you feel you want to discipline your kid, you are doing it to what you think is the best way to do it.

 

[crossnote]

I'm sorry, but are you kidding me?

1. You're lying to your child when you say this.
~1.1 Physically, your child's bottom will hurt more than your hand.
~1.2 There's no way you're going to be more emotionally hurt than your child when you're the one spanking them.
~1.2.1 Parents who spank frequently rarely feel much emotional pain.
2. Your children might be gullible, but they aren't THAT gullible!
~2.1 Your child will read your emotions, and your anger will not translate to pain.
~2.2 Even if you child would potentially believe you, that all goes out the window when you say it as you're hurting them.

Please, never say, "This hurts me more than it hurts you." Nobody is falling for it except for maybe yourself. And if you think you're feeling as much pain as your child when you spank them, you have some real sympathy issues.

I understand parents do tend to feel horrible when they spank their children, but their pain is absolutely nothing compared to how their children feel.



You can actually study the effects of spankings compared to alternative means of discipline. Of course, you're not willing to compromise your religious views - which means you will ignore whatever results that might counter what you've grown up being taught.

Numerous studies show that spankings have negative effects on children. I heard that there's little effect when children are only spanked occasionally, but why bother if there's little effect and no positive effect?

I'm not a Christian though, so I'm sure my advice won't sway you , nor the advice from other secular sources. Therefore, I suggest you talk to parents who have raised their children successfully without relying on spankings. Always be weary of the "I've seen kids who haven't been spanked, they never mind the rules." There's a difference between not spanking and not disciplining your children at all.

Percepi, Do you have children or are you speaking off the top?

 

[crossnote]

Hehe, look at our schools since they dropped spanking back in the '60's.