Daniel 11:38-42 interesting

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vic1980

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Daniel 11:38-42

But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

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He shall enter also into the glorious land,.... The land of Israel, as the Syriac version expresses it; or the land of Judea, which the Turk entered into, and got possession of, and still retains, notwithstanding all the attempts made by the European princes to get it out of his hand:

and many countries shall be overthrown; of which the eastern empire listed as Bithynia, Mysia, Lycaonia, Phrygia, and Carlo, and to the Hellesport and the Euxine sea, conquered by Ottoman and his son Urchenes; Callipolis, Hadrianople, by Amurath; Thessalia, Macedonia, Phocis, Mysia, and Bulgaria, by Bajazet; and at last Constantinople itself by Mahomet the second, which put an end to the eastern empire: though perhaps those countries and places may be here more especially meant which lay near Judea, and fell into the hands of the Turk when that did; as Comagene of Syria, Antioch, Damascus, Tripolis, Berytus, Sidon, and all Palestine, and all the sea coast to Egypt:

but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon; by which according to Jerom is meant Arabia, left untouched by him; so Mr. Mede interprets them of Arabia and Petraea, which some of the above people formerly inhabited, as Jacchiades observes; and which Arabians were never subdued by the Turks, but are independent of them to this day; yea, the Turks pay a yearly tribute to them for the passage of their pilgrims to Mecca, as well as pay for the canyons that pass through their country, as is affirmed (z) by modern travellers; and yet it may be observed that these countries did not escape Antiochus, who particularly took Rabbath, the metropolis of Ammon.

This is interesting, look into the history of ottoman and what was conquered, then look into Antiochus history on what he conquered.

Very interesting indeed. God Bless
 
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Interesting indeed, and this is another way it may be understood . . .

The following verses are thought by many eschatologists to be about a future Antichrist to be revealed at the end of the Christian era. The last phrase of Daniel 12:7, “all these things shall be finished,” was provably fulfilled on June 6th, 1967, so the Willful King of Daniel 11:36 must have been fulfilled earlier than 1967, sometime during the Christian era, but when?

Daniel 11:36-45
(excerpts) And the king (the evil spirit behind Muhammad, probably Satan) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished (at the return of Jesus). . .

“Neither shall he (Muhammad) regard the God of his fathers, (al Mat was the god of Muhammad’s father) nor the desire of women (Muslim women are little more than sex slaves. A Muslim man may marry a child, have up to four wives and as many mistresses as he can afford, but a woman caught in adultery is stoned to death). But in his estate shall he (Muhammad) honour the God of forces (Jihad): and a god whom his fathers knew not (Allah) shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Thus shall he do in the most strong holds (jihad from th Indus Valley to Spain) with a strange god whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory . . . and shall divide the land for gain . . .

“And he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. He shall enter also into the glorious (holy) land . . . And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace (the Dome of the Rock) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain (the Temple Mount in Jerusalem); yet he shall come to his end
(at the return of Jesus), and none shall help him.”
 
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It is a common mistake to look at these verses out of context and literally. The following link is a study on Daniel 11 as a whole, yet gives complete understanding to verses 38-42.

Daniel 11 defined

Please study this out. It will be worth your time.

God Bless
 

vic1980

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Interesting indeed, and this is another way it may be understood . . .

The following verses are thought by many eschatologists to be about a future Antichrist to be revealed at the end of the Christian era. The last phrase of Daniel 12:7, “all these things shall be finished,” was provably fulfilled on June 6th, 1967, so the Willful King of Daniel 11:36 must have been fulfilled earlier than 1967, sometime during the Christian era, but when?

Daniel 11:36-45
(excerpts) And the king (the evil spirit behind Muhammad, probably Satan) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished (at the return of Jesus). . .

“Neither shall he (Muhammad) regard the God of his fathers, (al Mat was the god of Muhammad’s father) nor the desire of women (Muslim women are little more than sex slaves. A Muslim man may marry a child, have up to four wives and as many mistresses as he can afford, but a woman caught in adultery is stoned to death). But in his estate shall he (Muhammad) honour the God of forces (Jihad): and a god whom his fathers knew not (Allah) shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Thus shall he do in the most strong holds (jihad from th Indus Valley to Spain) with a strange god whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory . . . and shall divide the land for gain . . .

“And he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. He shall enter also into the glorious (holy) land . . . And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace (the Dome of the Rock) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain (the Temple Mount in Jerusalem); yet he shall come to his end
(at the return of Jesus), and none shall help him.”
The Historical event of the ottoman empire ,seem to fit clearly with the event that are written in the book of Daniel.

God bless
 

vic1980

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It is a common mistake to look at these verses out of context and literally. The following link is a study on Daniel 11 as a whole, yet gives complete understanding to verses 38-42.

Daniel 11 defined

Please study this out. It will be worth your time.

God Bless
i will look into it, thx and God bless
 
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When I was in Bible College in the early 50s, much of my doctrine came from the commentators just like yours does. It was many years before I learned there was a vast difference between what God said and what man says God said. This led to my taking a fresh look at the end-time dispensational dogmas I had been so confidently teaching.

I soon discovered that it was 1290 Hebrew use from the abolition of sacrifices in Daniel's time until in 688 A.D., when Caliph Abd el Malik ibn Marwan began to construct the Islamic Dome of the Rock on the temple mount of God most only. Then (Rev 12:6) it was 1260 day-years from the construction of the Dome until the new nation of Israel was established in 1948 and 42 months of day-years (Rev 11:2) from the construction of the Dome until Jerusalem was freed of Gentile control on June 6, 1967. Coincidences? Of course not, those day-years weren't the first and last have of an imaginary seven-year great tribulation. In fact, it was now mathematically provable, the Dome of the Rock is Daniel’s "abomination that maketh desolate" and those day- years were actually fulfilled during the Christian era.

Then Daniel's "time, times and the dividing of a time" of 7:25 was fulfilled from the 2nd year of Belshazzar until the new nation of Israel was established in 1948 A.D. and even more significantly, Daniel’s "time, times and half a time" of 12:7 was fulfilled with the freeing of Jerusalem from Gentile control in 1967 . . . And that proved every one of the eschatology gurus upon whom I'd been relying (Dwight Pentecost, Merrill Unger, Woovord, Hal Lindsay, Tim LaHaye and the rest} to have been as out of date as Roman togas in a Baptist Seminary.A

ll the above is provable both biblically and historically and it totally destroyed my faith in the dispensational musings of John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield, which led to my seeing Daniel in a totally new light.

The Lord opened Daniel and Revelation in a new way after the "time of the Gentiles" was over in 1967. We are now in Daniel's, "time of the end," and our traditions have failed us. Nevertheless, we'll continue to rely on the end-time imaginations of well-intentioned men, little of which will actually happen.
 
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Though details differ, the above interpretation of Daniel 11 was generally understood by the church long before I was in Bible College back in the early 50s. What was not generally understood, and still isn't, is Daniel 12.

v.2, a parallel to the dry bones of Ezekiel 37, was fulfilled in 1948. v.7 was fulfilled in 1967 and according to v.9, Daniel was sealed until that year. As a result, the end-time theories proposed from Daniel prior to 1967 have to it best be incomplete or at worst false doctrine. This is all provable both historically and biblically, so read any of my free downloads on www.EllisSkolfield.com . I'm not looking for agreement, brethren, but unless you guys understand where I'm coming from biblically, I might as well be writing in Swahili.