Ancient of Days - Dan 7:9

[crossnote]

Jesus Christ or the Father?

Dan 7:9 `I was seeing till that thrones have been thrown down, and the Ancient of Days is seated, His garment as snow is white, and the hair of his head is as pure wool, His throne flames of fire, its wheels burning fire.

It is similar to Rev 1:13-16

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.



but seems to contradict Dan 7:13

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him.

 

[vic1980]

Jesus Christ or the Father?

Dan 7:9 `I was seeing till that thrones have been thrown down, and the Ancient of Days is seated, His garment as snow is white, and the hair of his head is as pure wool, His throne flames of fire, its wheels burning fire.

It is similar to Rev 1:13-16

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.



but seems to contradict Dan 7:13

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him.

No contradiction ,this is the way God plan it out since the begining.

thee continuation of Daniel in revelation

Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

he came and took the book who is the he in Revelation 5:7 (lamb of God Jesus Christ ) Who was him that sat upon the throne (Father in Heaven).

The father was on His throne. Jesus said He sat at the right hand of the father in Heaven.

Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Hebrews 10:12-13 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.


Mark 16:9 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

one thousand year reign

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Kerry]

In the bible, The loving Father tends to take a back seat and in the OT the Holy Spirit tends to take a back seat as well. Jesus is the ancient of Days as He has no beginning. He is the Captain of the Lord of Host in Jeremiah. In fact He is the one that wrestled with Jacob.

God said my people suffer from the lack of knowledge. Jesus is that knowledge, He is the Word of the Lord. God sent knowledge to save His people. Knowledge of what? the Cross.

 

[vic1980]

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him.

one more thing to note, Acts 1:9-11 Jesus ascending in the cloud to Heaven.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

So Daniel vision in Daniel 7:13 were advance details in the OT on messiah, before Jesus ascended into Heaven?

God Bless

 

[crossnote]

In the bible, The loving Father tends to take a back seat and in the OT the Holy Spirit tends to take a back seat as well. Jesus is the ancient of Days as He has no beginning. He is the Captain of the Lord of Host in Jeremiah. In fact He is the one that wrestled with Jacob.

God said my people suffer from the lack of knowledge. Jesus is that knowledge, He is the Word of the Lord. God sent knowledge to save His people. Knowledge of what? the Cross.

If Jesus is the Ancient of Days how do you reconcile this verse?...

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

 

[crossnote]

No contradiction ,this is the way God plan it out since the begining.

thee continuation of Daniel in revelation

Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

he came and took the book who is the he in Revelation 5:7 (lamb of God Jesus Christ ) Who was him that sat upon the throne (Father in Heaven).

The father was on His throne. Jesus said He sat at the right hand of the father in Heaven.

Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Hebrews 10:12-13 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.


Mark 16:9 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

one thousand year reign

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So the Father is the Ancient of Days?

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

From the Scripture given in this thread, the Ancient of Days is the Father. Jesus comes to Him during the time of judgement when He moves from the Holy to the Most Holy (excellent study in itself). Carefully read the text.

God Bless

 

[JesusIsAll]

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him.

Like some others, I've always seen the Ancient of Days in this verse as the Father, also. But it's a bit mysterious, as you point out the like description of our Lord Jesus elsewhere and His throne like the Ancient of days. Daniel 7:13 has always, at least to me, been somewhat mysterious, as if a reference to the the ascension of our Lord Jesus to the right hand of the Father.

 

[Jason0047]

Although it is brief on the point of your topic, here is the best explanation on this in my opinion. It also goes into explaining the Hypostatic Union and the Kenosis, too.

[video=youtube;0XZPHTZvXXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XZPHTZvXXo[/video]

Oh and yes; He believes the Ancient of Days is the Father.

 

[crossnote]

Oh and yes; He believes the Ancient of Days is the Father.

What reason/scripture did he give?

 

[Mem]

The I AM is the Ancient of Days

 

[vic1980]

So the Father is the Ancient of Days?

Yes the Ancient of Days is the Father. Jesus Christ always existed also with the Father since the beginning scripture actknowledge this in many places.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

In Revelation it the same picture given as the beginning ,the Father & The Son .

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


God Bless

 

[Allin]

Jesus Christ or the Father?

Dan 7:9 `I was seeing till that thrones have been thrown down, and the Ancient of Days is seated, His garment as snow is white, and the hair of his head is as pure wool, His throne flames of fire, its wheels burning fire.

It is similar to Rev 1:13-16

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.



but seems to contradict Dan 7:13

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him.

I always believed the Ancient of Days is God the Father. You may have to go into the Hebrew to ascertain who the passage is talking about, but the fact that Jesus was led to the Ancient of Days shows two different Persons and shows that the Ancient of Days is different from Jesus.

Dan. 7:9 doesn't contradict 7:13. Jesus' appearance in Rev. 1:13-16 is more identical to that of the angel in Dan. 10:5-6 than it is to the Ancient of Days in Dan. 7. Some people call the angel of Dan. 10 Gabriel, but most people don't know his identity. Compare the appearance of the angel in Dan. 10:5-6 with Jesus' appearance in Rev. 1:13-16:

"I lifted up my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with the gold of Uphaz! His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in color, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude."

The angel's voice sounded like God's voice (sound of a multitude, many waters, thunder), but he was neither God nor Jesus. I'd say that if Jesus and an angel can look so similar, then similarity in appearance doesn't necessarily mean you are looking at the same one same person. I believe the Ancient of Days of Dan. 7 is the Father and that Jesus was brought into His presence.

 

[Jason0047]

What reason/scripture did he give?

It's better if you watch. Start at minute 27.

 

[birdie]

Daniel Chapter 7 is describing how the congregations of the church age fall from grace, particularly as the end of the church age arrives and the tribulation period sets in. We see that God's final result in the spiritual battle of the tribulation is a victory for the saints (the true believers). The one like unto the Son of man in Daniel 7 is probably a picture of the saints in concert with Jesus. Notice that the one like unto the Son of man in in Revelation 1 has the voice of many waters (many people sharing the gospel). Further, we know that the saints are considered the same as Christ in places in the Bible (for example:And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of thesemy brethren, ye have done it unto me. (Matthew 25:40). So the least of these is really the same as unto Christ himself. If you read the second half of Daniel 7, the translation that God gives to the first half of chapter 7 is mentioned repeatedly as being the saints. The Ancient of Days seems like a fitting title to mention in this chapter 7 because it is showing a final victory for saints after a long long time of human history, the sort of thing that an Ancient of Days only can see the end from the beginning of it all. I have no problem with the Ancient of Days being Jesus. It is often difficult and somewhat unneccessary to pull apart the oneness of the Father, Christ and the Spirit anyway. Alot of people are confused about angels, which simply means messengers. Christ, for example is the chief messenger who overcomes Satan (the dragon) by his own blood. Further, Christ is the angel of Rev 7 that makes the earth light. He is most likely Gabriel as well. Notice that the angel in Genesis 48:16 blesses the lads and redeems and does things only God does, not created beings. In Revelation, the measure of an angel is that of a man. The disciples of John are called angels even (Luke 7:24). Getting back to the original Son of man point, notice that Issac is born when Sarah is after childbearing age. It is the way it is to be. A son will be born in the end times, when the congregations aren't bearing spiritual children any longer, and the latter days son is likely a picture of the saints, true believers. It is after the destruction of Sodom ( a picture of the spiritual fall of the congregations of the church age) that Issac is born.

 

[vic1980]

Yes the Ancient of Days is the Father. Jesus Christ always existed also with the Father since the beginning scripture actknowledge this in many places.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

In Revelation it the same picture given as the beginning ,the Father & The Son .

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


God Bless

Something else to note, Jesus Christ own words.

Who Is Greatest

Luke 22

28“You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; 29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

But this is a everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[Kerry]

Jesus said to His disciples " I am in the Father and the Father is in me" That means deity. Then He goes on to say "I am in you and you are in me". Then in another passage He say's " no longer shall you ask of me, but you shall ask the Father in my name. No longer will I pray for you".

What I meant what. Jesus saying that He will not pray for us!!. Because now we can directly ask the Father in His name. Look it people we have become joint heirs with Christ and sons of God. We are to pray to the Father and whatsoever we ask in Jesus name He will give it.

Come boldly to the throne of grace.

 

[vic1980]

For the guess that come to cc, in order not to get confused on this Topic, who is the Father the Ancient of Days.

the Word= Jesus Christ

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This should clear things up

 

[Kerry]

Well the latter day saints (Mormons) say that he is Michael. The Jews say he is a prophet. Most modern protestant churches say that He is good for salvation but we can do it own our own. Most reject the fact that Jesus said when I leave I will send another comforter and He will teach you. The Catholics are caught up in law and relics and saints and mary. None preach the cross.

This is the apostate church, Paul said I refuse to know anything among you save Christ and Him crucified.

The baptist are hung on water baptism. When John the baptist said I baptize you with water unto repentance, but there comes one after me that will baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire.

The preaching of the cross is a seldom heard of thing nowadays. It's all about me and what I can do and not what God did for us.

 

[JesusIsAll]

The baptist are hung on water baptism. When John the baptist said I baptize you with water unto repentance, but there comes one after me that will baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire.

The preaching of the cross is a seldom heard of thing nowadays. It's all about me and what I can do and not what God did for us.

The Baptist I've known isn't hung on baptism in the salvation sense, the Baptist simply believing in the Biblical manner of believer baptism, by immersion. Though there are whackjob Baptists and Baptist churches here and there, you'll find the Baptist charter is, first and foremost, Bible believing in the inerrant word of God. Among chuches, I've found more whole gospel, Bible preaching and teaching Baptist churches than any other. The manner of Baptism, itself, is due to a strict adherence to first century Christianity, nothing cultish, unless you want to categorize what John the Baptist was doing and the manner of the water baptism of our Lord Jesus cultish. There are Baptist churches online, who post their charters, and I've never found anything wrong with the basic tenants of that charter. I've personally heard much about Jesus Christ and the cross at Baptist churches, as a matter of fact, all the time.

Original Southern Baptist Charter​