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Those of us who have been on CC for a long time divide posters into those who listen to scripture and those who try to change scripture. It is strange, but those who are against lots of scripture quote scripture most to explain how they are against other scripture.Those who believe in all scripture think of each verse as a verse that fits into God’s overall plan, so they speak more about that plan.They know only one scripture is just a piece of that plan.

We have those whose message is “don’t work for the Lord” or “don’t read scripture that mentions law” or “Christ said not to listen to the Sabbath teaching” or “the God of Israel is not for us”. There are many ways different posters work against the Lord.These people against God quote scripture to uphold their criticizing God.How can that be?
 

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Funny, I see the divide between those who love to harp about the law and all their accomplishments by 'keeping' this or that; they seem to have an aversion to faith and our walk by faith. They love to lift up Moses over Abraham.

Then there are those who love to glory in what the Lord has done at Calvary for them, is doing as He sanctifies them and strengthens them for good works as they continually trust Him and look to Him in all things...they get drunk in His loving kindness, and they rejoice always in the blessed Hope that is put before them anticipating that Great Day when they'll be face to face with their Lord.
 
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Funny, I see the divide between those who love to harp about the law and all their accomplishments by 'keeping' this or that; they seem to have an aversion to faith and our walk by faith. They love to lift up Moses over Abraham.

Then there are those who love to glory in what the Lord has done at Calvary for them, is doing as He sanctifies them and strengthens them for good works as they continually trust Him and look to Him in all things...they get drunk in His loving kindness, and they rejoice always in the blessed Hope that is put before them anticipating that Great Day when they'll be face to face with their Lord.
I can see why the Lord tells us to never debate with those against Him! It is only through Christ that there is dominion over what is against God. What a post! To speak of law as harping. Making fun of those who want to follow Christ as "good works". Accusing of having an aversion to faith. Lifting up Moses over Abraham, whatever they have in mind about what that means.

Then switching into scripture, as saying how they are so holy and all others are not holy! For there is scripture they believe in. If they believed in scripture they would accept all scripture, not only the scripture this posts lists in the last paragraph. At least there is some belief in the Lord and what the Lord tells us!
 

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I can see why the Lord tells us to never debate with those against Him! It is only through Christ that there is dominion over what is against God. What a post! To speak of law as harping. Making fun of those who want to follow Christ as "good works". Accusing of having an aversion to faith. Lifting up Moses over Abraham, whatever they have in mind about what that means.

Then switching into scripture, as saying how they are so holy and all others are not holy! For there is sc-ripture they believe in. If they believed in scripture they would accept all scripture, not only the scripture this posts lists in the last paragraph. At least there is some belief in the Lord and what the Lord tells us!
Keep it up, you only prove my point :)
 
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I can see why the Lord tells us to never debate with those against Him! It is only through Christ that there is dominion over what is against God. What a post! To speak of law as harping. Making fun of those who want to follow Christ as "good works". Accusing of having an aversion to faith. Lifting up Moses over Abraham, whatever they have in mind about what that means.

Then switching into scripture, as saying how they are so holy and all others are not holy! For there is scripture they believe in. If they believed in scripture they would accept all scripture, not only the scripture this posts lists in the last paragraph. At least there is some belief in the Lord and what the Lord tells us!
It's best not to debate with those who profess to have Jesus in their pocket but exhibit no love whatsoever, nor do do they revere the things of our Creator. Bashing true believers is their favorite pastime, they create disorder and must be miserable people themselves, who can't buy a clue. What is a fact, the more one distances themselves from the instructions of Almighty, the harder their heart becomes until they will not listen to sound doctrine. They'd much rather "get drunk" in any way possible, ignoring ..
[h=1]1 Peter 5:8Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]8 [/SUP]Stay sober, stay alert! Your enemy, the Adversary, stalks about like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.


 

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Those of us who have been on CC for a long time divide posters into those who listen to scripture and those who try to change scripture. It is strange, but those who are against lots of scripture quote scripture most to explain how they are against other scripture.Those who believe in all scripture think of each verse as a verse that fits into God’s overall plan, so they speak more about that plan.They know only one scripture is just a piece of that plan
I've got odds-on that those who "listen to scripture"="agrees with RedTent" and those who "change scripture"="disagrees with RedTent."

Anyone want to bet the other way?
 

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It's best not to debate with those who profess to have Jesus in their pocket but exhibit no love whatsoever, nor do do they revere the things of our Creator. Bashing true believers is their favorite pastime, they create disorder and must be miserable people themselves, who can't buy a clue. What is a fact, the more one distances themselves from the instructions of Almighty, the harder their heart becomes until they will not listen to sound doctrine. They'd much rather "get drunk" in any way possible, ignoring ..
[h=1]1 Peter 5:8Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]8 [/SUP]Stay sober, stay alert! Your enemy, the Adversary, stalks about like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.


exhibit love? Is it more loving to tell the truth or agree with error?
Revere my Creator? So you are my judge of that?
I don't bash true believers, I might bash professors profession.
Miserable? 'nother judgement call.
My 40 plus years of study and hands on training leads me to believe in my understanding of the 'instructions of the Almighty'.
Hard heart? Deficit of sound doctrine? Much rather get drunk? Enemy? Adversary?...all crazy talk.
 
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exhibit love? Is it more loving to tell the truth or agree with error?
Revere my Creator? So you are my judge of that?
I don't bash true believers, I might bash professors profession.
Miserable? 'nother judgement call.
My 40 plus years of study and hands on training leads me to believe in my understanding of the 'instructions of the Almighty'.
Hard heart? Deficit of sound doctrine? Much rather get drunk? Enemy? Adversary?...all crazy talk.
I thought if it took more than 3..nevermind.:)

Did my post strike a nerve?
 
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I've got odds-on that those who "listen to scripture"="agrees with RedTent" and those who "change scripture"="disagrees with RedTent."

Anyone want to bet the other way?
It isn't redtent or crossnote, it is the Lord. I am saying to listen to the Lord, and crossnote is saying you must not listen to all of the Lord, not to law, not to what the Lord tells Israel, nothing about working, and on and on. I feel to say to listen to scripture is what the Lord says. Instructions not to listen simply cannot be from the Lord.
 
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It isn't redtent or crossnote, it is the Lord. I am saying to listen to the Lord, and crossnote is saying you must not listen to all of the Lord, not to law, not to what the Lord tells Israel, nothing about working, and on and on. I feel to say to listen to scripture is what the Lord says. Instructions not to listen simply cannot be from the Lord.
Many who cause division are confused about what scripture says. They think there is 1 playbook for gentiles and another for Jews. They are deceived! Even if one were to use human logic they could not come to that conclusion, for who knows whether or not they themselves are part of the scattered tribes? Paul said not to argue about genealogy also, and for good reason..it does not matter!!
 
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Those of us who have been on CC for a long time divide posters into those who listen to scripture and those who try to change scripture. It is strange, but those who are against lots of scripture quote scripture most to explain how they are against other scripture.Those who believe in all scripture think of each verse as a verse that fits into God’s overall plan, so they speak more about that plan.They know only one scripture is just a piece of that plan.

We have those whose message is “don’t work for the Lord” or “don’t read scripture that mentions law” or “Christ said not to listen to the Sabbath teaching” or “the God of Israel is not for us”. There are many ways different posters work against the Lord.These people against God quote scripture to uphold their criticizing God.How can that be?
There are those of us on CC who would rather stand in a better covenant which was established upon better promises through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Some of us on CC understand that what Jesus Christ accomplished with his death and resurrection is much more than we could ever work to achieve.

We do not totally ignore the OT for it has shadows that point to Christ but most of those shadows have come to light and have been revealed in Jesus Christ.

What God meant for Israel is not directed to us the church - the church, the body of Christ was kept hidden, was a mystery [secret] from the foundation of the world.

There are those of us on CC who desire to look into the life of Christ - what the new nature in us means to us - how we have Christ's Spirit within us as the new nature - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [Romans 8:9] which makes us "sons of God" as He is "the son of God" - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. And because you are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. We share in all the blessings in His sonship - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. [John 1:12]

Why should we want to stay in the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones which was glorious . . . and not move on to the ministration of righteousness which exceeds in glory? [2 Cor. 7-9 (paraphrased)] Why would we not want to study and stand upon a new ministration and a new mediator who is able to give us life and life more abundantly?
 
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Many who cause division are confused about what scripture says. They think there is 1 playbook for gentiles and another for Jews. They are deceived! Even if one were to use human logic they could not come to that conclusion, for who knows whether or not they themselves are part of the scattered tribes? Paul said not to argue about genealogy also, and for good reason..it does not matter!!
There is one playbook . . . started in Genesis 3:15 and threads throughout scripture and that is the HIS-story of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Also it is true in the OT God dealt with the children of Israel who happen to be Jews, then the gospels were brought to the Jews . . . the Jews were dealt with collectively, as in the children of Israel . . . whereas the church is dwelt with individually
and each individual in the body of Christ is held accountable for their actions.
 

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Those of us who have been on CC for a long time divide posters into those who listen to scripture and those who try to change scripture. It is strange, but those who are against lots of scripture quote scripture most to explain how they are against other scripture.Those who believe in all scripture think of each verse as a verse that fits into God’s overall plan, so they speak more about that plan.They know only one scripture is just a piece of that plan.

We have those whose message is “don’t work for the Lord” or “don’t read scripture that mentions law” or “Christ said not to listen to the Sabbath teaching” or “the God of Israel is not for us”. There are many ways different posters work against the Lord.These people against God quote scripture to uphold their criticizing God.How can that be?
2 Corinthians 4:6-7

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves.
 
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There is one playbook . . . started in Genesis 3:15 and threads throughout scripture and that is the HIS-story of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Also it is true in the OT God dealt with the children of Israel who happen to be Jews, then the gospels were brought to the Jews . . . the Jews were dealt with collectively, as in the children of Israel . . . whereas the church is dwelt with individually
and each individual in the body of Christ is held accountable for their actions.
Do you honestly believe against the scriptures that tells us we are one in Christ?

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

We are freed from the ordinances of the Jews, and they are under Christ. We are not bound to be circumcised physically, and they are not bound to use the blood of animals but to use the blood of Christ for atonement. Atonement is now salvation. There is one new man.

Do you honestly not believe what the Lord has told you about this?
 
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Do you honestly believe against the scriptures that tells us we are one in Christ?

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

We are freed from the ordinances of the Jews, and they are under Christ. We are not bound to be circumcised physically, and they are not bound to use the blood of animals but to use the blood of Christ for atonement. Atonement is now salvation. There is one new man.

Do you honestly not believe what the Lord has told you about this?
That is in response to this:
There is one playbook . . . started in Genesis 3:15 and threads throughout scripture and that is the HIS-story of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Also it is true in the OT God dealt with the children of Israel who happen to be Jews, then the gospels were brought to the Jews . . . the Jews were dealt with collectively, as in the children of Israel . . . whereas the church is dwelt with individually
and each individual in the body of Christ is held accountable for their actions.
I don't get it . . . .
 
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Do you honestly believe against the scriptures that tells us we are one in Christ?

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

We are freed from the ordinances of the Jews, and they are under Christ. We are not bound to be circumcised physically, and they are not bound to use the blood of animals but to use the blood of Christ for atonement. Atonement is now salvation. There is one new man.

Do you honestly not believe what the Lord has told you about this?
RT I think she is more referring to how we each have a personal relationship with Christ. Our personal faults affect each of us directly where during the OT the faults of Israel were taken jointly. When God punished Israel he pushed all of them. Now when God punishes us its to a direct person.

I believe that's what she is saying. But I might be wrong.
 
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Why should we want to stay in the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones which was glorious . . . and not move on to the ministration of righteousness which exceeds in glory? [2 Cor. 7-9 (paraphrased)] Why would we not want to study and stand upon a new ministration and a new mediator who is able to give us life and life more abundantly?
Why indeed should you want to say that the Lord who created you was "ministration of death"?? When this Lord who loves you gave you guides for your life in stone to represent how eternal it is, why are you complaining that it is in stone? When this loving God showed people Christ for 3,000 years in the shadows God gave them why are you complaining to God that he gave people shadows those years? You cannot deny your creator by saying that you accept the Son and then be able to even know the Son truly. It is not a sign of staying behind and not going forward to the glory of the Sun by denying the Father, it is a step backward.
 
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RT I think she is more referring to how we each have a personal relationship with Christ. Our personal faults affect each of us directly where during the OT the faults of Israel were taken jointly. When God punished Israel he pushed all of them. Now when God punishes us its to a direct person.

I believe that's what she is saying. But I might be wrong.
Thank you elf3 :)
 
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Why indeed should you want to say that the Lord who created you was "ministration of death"?? When this Lord who loves you gave you guides for your life in stone to represent how eternal it is, why are you complaining that it is in stone? When this loving God showed people Christ for 3,000 years in the shadows God gave them why are you complaining to God that he gave people shadows those years? You cannot deny your creator by saying that you accept the Son and then by able to even know the Son truly. It is not a sign of staying behind and not going forward to the glory of the Sun by denying the Father, it is a step backward.
RedTent: God said through scripture: Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones was glorious, . . . . How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness EXCEED in glory. 2 Cor. 3:6,7a,8,9
I'm not sure how you understand that but I wasn't complaining just quoting scripture.

Yes, God showed us the coming Messiah through shadows but most of the shadows have been revealed, brought to light, with the coming of his Son. Is there still more to come? Yes.

Did any of the other scriptures connect with you? If so, how can you say that I have denied the Father . . .

Reading comprehension . . . .
 
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Why indeed should you want to say that the Lord who created you was "ministration of death"?? When this Lord who loves you gave you guides for your life in stone to represent how eternal it is, why are you complaining that it is in stone? When this loving God showed people Christ for 3,000 years in the shadows God gave them why are you complaining to God that he gave people shadows those years? You cannot deny your creator by saying that you accept the Son and then be able to even know the Son truly. It is not a sign of staying behind and not going forward to the glory of the Sun by denying the Father, it is a step backward.
Where is the denial of the father in her posts? Could you explain a bit more.