Joyce Meyers- false teacher.

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[video=youtube;RCImd8vZWG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCImd8vZWG4[/video]


I youtubed "Joyce Meyers greatest teachings" and I have decided to go through the entire thing and determine the biblical accuracy of her message. I hope you watch this video and read my commentary with it. I will type this as I go.

At the 50 second mark she begins laughing at scripture but only after she posts an inaccurate version of scripture (there are many versions but that is a different study)
Here she quotes Exodus 3:14 and she posts it as reading
"And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM and WHAT I AM and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."
then she laughs saying that God didn't really tell Moses anything. Here is what the correct scripture actually reads from the KJV

"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you."

compare those two variations. They are completely different. For God is the great I AM and this was the scripture Jesus was referring to when He said "Before Abraham was I AM." It's a claim to deity.

Moving forward.

Next she quotes Romans 9:20

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

"stifling another laugh she begins with "why do I have big hips? why do I have this deep voice? why am I so tall? why am I so short? why do my feet have to be so big? why can't I sing?

This is so absolutely removed from the meaning behind Romans chapter 9, read it for yourself

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Look back to how she painted the context of verse 20 - physical attributes, "who am I to ask why God gave me these hips, or this voice?"
She is not teaching any truth, she is actually distorting it

I skipped ahead to the 8 minute mark because it's there that she stops her personal opinions and points- returning to scripture, however the verses she is hitting are verses 21 and 22 but they are in her other bible again - see for yourself and she is still saying "God made me how He made me and I shouldn't question why He made me thus. Did you read Romans? did you see that Paul is actually talking about how people may criticize God using people like Pharaoh to give Glory unto God? This whole passage is about God's choices in how He uses people for a greater good and who are we to question God? This has NOTHING to do with how we view ourselves.

"the message here tonight, stop comparing yourself to somebody else, and just decide to get happy where you're at." Joyce Meyer minute mark 8:41

She moves on to 1 Corinthians 1:27 to show us
"why God uses the people He uses" -Joyce Meyer

"(No) for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise man to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame." 1 Corinthians 27
"And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing." 28
"that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are." 29

Joyce- "Part of the reason God uses people that you would just normally think would be impossible for God to use is because they're the ones who are gonna stay on their face all the time saying Oh God, thank you thank you thank you God. You have no idea how many times a day I say oh help me God, help me, help me, help me, help me. Sometimes I think maybe I'm a mental case, help me, help me, help me. And the rest of the day I'm saying thank you God, thank you, thank you, thank you thank you. that's like my main conversation with God. God help me, help me, help me, help me."

that was the totality of her lesson on 1 corinthians 1...

but what does the bible actually say?

Read 1 corinthians chapter 1 - here is a snippet for context

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

God is teaching that to those who are wise in the flesh view the Word of God as foolishness. Do you see the difference? Joyce never actually touches base on anything the bible is actually saying.

here again look at this
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The bible is really stating that the world is so blind that what is truly wise is seen as foolishness and what is seen as foolishness is wise, and it pleased God to do this so that when He opened our eyes to the truth that we would glorify Him and not stand boastful thinking that we ourselves are wise.. Where was that teaching? it was lost to all who followed Joyce' teachings that day.

The best way to test anyones teaching on a verse is to read the whole chapter they are quoting from, and then see if what they said measured up to what you've read.

at minute 15:35 she goes on to say "the next time a question comes in your mind, don't ask the question, just say God you don't owe me an explanation."
Is that biblical? No, because Jesus says "Ask and you shall receive."
She is trying to get all of her listeners to trust that since God is in complete control, there is no need to question anything...
15:48 "I think it delights the devil when you question God."
This reminds me of the propaganda slogan "support our troops" which was used to keep us from questioning why we went to war. They are not connected, one is used as a cover. You see, we are not questioning God. We are questioning our understanding of scripture as well as the messages we are receiving and the spirits that are feeding us these teachings. Jesus said to "try the spirits, to know if they are good."
And that's the end, she never posts another scripture again.
 
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that's why paul wrote that the women should keep silent in the churches and not teach over a man she is out of order on many different levels i don't know but whenever ive heard her or seen her i feel like she is a mean spirited person but that's just me
 

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[video=youtube;RCImd8vZWG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCImd8vZWG4[/video]


I youtubed "Joyce Meyers greatest teachings" and I have decided to go through the entire thing and determine the biblical accuracy of her message. I hope you watch this video and read my commentary with it. I will type this as I go.

At the 50 second mark she begins laughing at scripture but only after she posts an inaccurate version of scripture (there are many versions but that is a different study)
Here she quotes Exodus 3:14 and she posts it as reading
"And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM and WHAT I AM and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."
then she laughs saying that God didn't really tell Moses anything. Here is what the correct scripture actually reads from the KJV

"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you."

compare those two variations. They are completely different. For God is the great I AM and this was the scripture Jesus was referring to when He said "Before Abraham was I AM." It's a claim to deity.

Moving forward.

Next she quotes Romans 9:20

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

"stifling another laugh she begins with "why do I have big hips? why do I have this deep voice? why am I so tall? why am I so short? why do my feet have to be so big? why can't I sing?

This is so absolutely removed from the meaning behind Romans chapter 9, read it for yourself

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Look back to how she painted the context of verse 20 - physical attributes, "who am I to ask why God gave me these hips, or this voice?"
She is not teaching any truth, she is actually distorting it

I skipped ahead to the 8 minute mark because it's there that she stops her personal opinions and points- returning to scripture, however the verses she is hitting are verses 21 and 22 but they are in her other bible again - see for yourself and she is still saying "God made me how He made me and I shouldn't question why He made me thus. Did you read Romans? did you see that Paul is actually talking about how people may criticize God using people like Pharaoh to give Glory unto God? This whole passage is about God's choices in how He uses people for a greater good and who are we to question God? This has NOTHING to do with how we view ourselves.

"the message here tonight, stop comparing yourself to somebody else, and just decide to get happy where you're at." Joyce Meyer minute mark 8:41

She moves on to 1 Corinthians 1:27 to show us
"why God uses the people He uses" -Joyce Meyer

"(No) for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise man to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame." 1 Corinthians 27
"And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing." 28
"that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are." 29

Joyce- "Part of the reason God uses people that you would just normally think would be impossible for God to use is because they're the ones who are gonna stay on their face all the time saying Oh God, thank you thank you thank you God. You have no idea how many times a day I say oh help me God, help me, help me, help me, help me. Sometimes I think maybe I'm a mental case, help me, help me, help me. And the rest of the day I'm saying thank you God, thank you, thank you, thank you thank you. that's like my main conversation with God. God help me, help me, help me, help me."

that was the totality of her lesson on 1 corinthians 1...

but what does the bible actually say?

Read 1 corinthians chapter 1 - here is a snippet for context

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

God is teaching that to those who are wise in the flesh view the Word of God as foolishness. Do you see the difference? Joyce never actually touches base on anything the bible is actually saying.

here again look at this
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The bible is really stating that the world is so blind that what is truly wise is seen as foolishness and what is seen as foolishness is wise, and it pleased God to do this so that when He opened our eyes to the truth that we would glorify Him and not stand boastful thinking that we ourselves are wise.. Where was that teaching? it was lost to all who followed Joyce' teachings that day.

The best way to test anyones teaching on a verse is to read the whole chapter they are quoting from, and then see if what they said measured up to what you've read.

at minute 15:35 she goes on to say "the next time a question comes in your mind, don't ask the question, just say God you don't owe me an explanation."
Is that biblical? No, because Jesus says "Ask and you shall receive."
She is trying to get all of her listeners to trust that since God is in complete control, there is no need to question anything...
15:48 "I think it delights the devil when you question God."
This reminds me of the propaganda slogan "support our troops" which was used to keep us from questioning why we went to war. They are not connected, one is used as a cover. You see, we are not questioning God. We are questioning our understanding of scripture as well as the messages we are receiving and the spirits that are feeding us these teachings. Jesus said to "try the spirits, to know if they are good."
And that's the end, she never posts another scripture again.
I have never regarded her as anything but a false teacher.
 
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At the 50 second mark she begins laughing at scripture but only after she posts an inaccurate version of scripture (there are many versions but that is a different study)
Here she quotes Exodus 3:14 and she posts it as reading
"And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM and WHAT I AM and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."
then she laughs saying that God didn't really tell Moses anything.
I think she's quoting from the Amplified version. It's a poor excuse for a translation. In Exodus 3:14, it gives two alternative translations as if it's one translation of a longer verse. Also, Meyer's laugh is also very off-putting.

Just about everything about Meyers is repulsive, to anyone who loves God rather themselves.
 

Angela53510

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I can't stand Joyce Meyers! But neither can I stand Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, and a lot of other tele-evanglists. Probably there are more false men teachers these days, than women!

I appreciate the work you have done on this video. I have known for a long time this woman is not of God, and personally I would not waste my time watching a video that is just going to re-confirm that she is a false teacher!
 
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I can't stand Joyce Meyers! But neither can I stand Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, and a lot of other tele-evanglists. Probably there are more false men teachers these days, than women!

I appreciate the work you have done on this video. I have known for a long time this woman is not of God, and personally I would not waste my time watching a video that is just going to re-confirm that she is a false teacher!
Agree with this as well...the men named are just as bad HAHHAHAHA!
 
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LOL!

MALE CHAUVINIST! :p
If you ever meet Paul or Timothy, call that them that. And if you ever meet God, tell him his word is erroneous and fallible. That he choose the wrong men for the job.

Brethren accusing brethren. Not only that, a mocker accusing someone who is soundly eching the word of God.

Quote the Scriptures to me. Prove me wrong.
 
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I can't stand Joyce Meyers! But neither can I stand Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, and a lot of other tele-evanglists. Probably there are more false men teachers these days, than women!

I appreciate the work you have done on this video. I have known for a long time this woman is not of God, and personally I would not waste my time watching a video that is just going to re-confirm that she is a false teacher!
I completely agree, Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen are so easy to prove they are crooked I felt I needed more evidence to prove Joyce Meyer, I began the study because of a friend of mine who followed Joyce' teachings every day.

Kenneth Copelands church bought him a 60,000,000 dollar plane, the fastest personal jet money can buy, that is on top of the fleet the church already bought him, when questioned about it he stated "It helps me to better serve the Lord."
 

gzusfrk

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If you ever meet Paul or Timothy, call that them that. And if you ever meet God, tell him his word is erroneous and fallible. That he choose the wrong men for the job.

Brethren accusing brethren. Not only that, a mocker accusing someone who is soundly eching the word of God.

Quote the Scriptures to me. Prove me wrong.
Now rev you should see the, LOL content,,context........
 
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that's why paul wrote that the women should keep silent in the churches and not teach over a man she is out of order on many different levels i don't know but whenever ive heard her or seen her i feel like she is a mean spirited person but that's just me
I'd play this video to convert people who think women should be pastors. But, they'd probably just counter with a male version of Meyers, as you've already seen.
 
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Mind you, this doesn't mean her followers are going to hell, I don't think, they are ignorant to the facts, but they all believe Jesus died for them. Now the soft messages and constant ties that are paid for jets, vacations, mansions and church clothes, falls on us sinners for being decieved.
 
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Mind you, this doesn't mean her followers are going to hell, I don't think, they are ignorant to the facts, but they all believe Jesus died for them. Now the soft messages and constant ties that are paid for jets, vacations, mansions and church clothes, falls on us sinners for being decieved.
the real risk here is that these people may begin and stop their search with these false teachers. They can serve both mammon and man, right here, right now. They aren't gathering an accurate understanding of the Lord, truly they are hearing and accepting a false gospel.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 
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It gets better...

[video=youtube;yG5hmZctmZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5hmZctmZw[/video]
 

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"that's just a bunch of nonsense" (speaking about can't preaching bc she's a women. . . interesting....)
It's very short watch it all, it sounds like a feminists rally in there:

[video=youtube;Urp-fmP4wT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp-fmP4wT4[/video]
 

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"that's just a bunch of nonsense" (speaking about can't preaching bc she's a women. . . interesting....)
It's very short watch it all, it sounds like a feminists rally in there:

[video=youtube;Urp-fmP4wT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp-fmP4wT4[/video]
her presence drips with irritablity and annoyance and frustration just watching her countenance and reading her body langauge shows that she is tired and depressed. its sad. i see no joy in her. and when she does that mocking driven little walk and chant, its apparent she is not walking in love but in rejection.
 
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The problem is that they can be called "motivational" teachers and since they really only teach on self it has great followings. My wife brought home one of her books once. I flipped through it read it a bit and threw it out. My wife was upset until I explained it to her.

Motivation of the self is fine until you remove God from the equation or you put God after the self. "Be a better You" great! OK where does God fit in?

My dad's church was given 500 "religeous" books, now there we r some good ones but we threw out about 1/4. His first thought was we could sell them to a used book store I said "nope..no one should read them"...2 trips each to the dumpster. :)

Pure garbage!!!!
 
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pastac

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here is my main problem with all these statements. your personal opinion is in no way a fact of any matter only an opinion. no one can say who God has called or for what reasons. The word clearly tells us let the wheat and tare grow together God will do the separation. There is a lot of ignorance to scripture even for people who speak against any of Gods servants in any capacity.
The word says if you have an ought against your brother and I'm sure sister that you go to them and if they don't receive you take a witness and go back if they still don't receive you then shake the dust from your feet and move on. I see no one ever making a comment I contacted so and so with a problem I have with their teaching! It did not say bash them or give personal opinions. It is so sad that none of you realize folks on cc do the same to each of us each day.
Why then if many are so spiritual don't you get this truth. Keep your mouth and typed words off of your brothers and sisters and pray for them the prince of the power of the air often manipulates words that are typed to distort their meaning this is a fact most mean something else when typing some mean exactly what they are typing I'm not the judge but I am wise enough not to put my mouth on what I really don't know.
As for trying to determine scripture that too is a sticky issue all don't read the same bible or have the same understanding. Here is a thought what if and this is just an example. What if Joyce,Kenneth,Joel are right about their teachings and all the rest wrong or just don't have the same insight yet then what? This reminds me of the people yelling crucify him crucify him.
As a pastor it bothers me that folks opinions even when ignorant and obviously carnal and ungodly receive so many people in agreement makes you wonder or at least it makes me wonder. Just a thought.