Jesus and Paul...same Gospel

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Jesus and Paul had the same Gospel. Here are some scriptures to illustrate.

(Salvation is in a Person not in a 10 step program or a Mosaic tapestry of Scripture.)

Jesus


And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
From that time began Jesus to show unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up.
(Mat 16:18,21)


Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(Joh 11:25-26)


All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(Joh 6:37-40)


I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me, even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.
(Joh 10:14-16)


Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom he hath sent.
(Joh 6:28-29)




Paul


Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:1-4)


Now we know that whatever the things the law says, it speaks to those under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world be under judgment to God. Wherefore by works of law no flesh shall be justified before him; for by law is knowledge of sin. But now without law righteousness of God is manifested, borne witness to by the law and the prophets; righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ towards all, and upon all those who believe: for there is no difference; for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God has set forth a mercy-seat, through faith in his blood, for the shewing forth of his righteousness, in respect of the passing by the sins that had taken place before, through the forbearance of God;
(Rom 3:19-25)


But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
(Tit 3:4-6)


Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
(2Ti 1:9)

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So there is not a different Gospel between Paul and Jesus as some who are enamored by Moses like to charge us as teaching.
 
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Blain

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Yes I agree Paul never preached a different gospel he himself was a living testimony of Christs gospel and often spoke of how it was Christ in him not himself
 

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Yes I agree Paul never preached a different gospel he himself was a living testimony of Christs gospel and often spoke of how it was Christ in him not himself
Yes the enemy will easily turn our focus from faith in the Person of Jesus Christ to the frills and tassles of our own works.
 

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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been challenged by those (mainly from 'Messianic Gentiles') who continue to claim that we have Paul presenting a different Gospel than Jesus.
 
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psychomom

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Yes the enemy will easily turn our focus from faith in the Person of Jesus Christ to the frills and tassles of our own works.
that's the problem with life by law (either God's or our own).
life by law by its very nature turns us inward...leads to comparison
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how am i doing? which leads either to despair if you think you're not cutting it,
or self righteousness if you think you are. :(

when we live life by Grace...we look outside of ourselves to Jesus.
we are able to acknowledge our sin...see the log in our own eye...
that leads us to compassion for others, and allows the fruit of the Spirit to shine.

we can't showcase Jesus when it's all about us and what we do. :)

 

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Oooo, can't much add to that.
 
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psychomom

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and yet you know i could! lol
 

KohenMatt

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That's good stuff cross, thanks for sharing! The consistency between Jesus and Paul provides us so much confidence and security in God's merciful salvation for us.
 

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Honestly, for me it's surprising how sneaky 'living life by your own works' can be. You can be doing and thinking it without even realising. I guess it's a constant renewing of the mind done by the Spirit of God. By default, this is how the world lives and we had been brought up in that until we received the life of Christ.
 
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been challenged by those (mainly from 'Messianic Gentiles') who continue to claim that we have Paul presenting a different Gospel than Jesus.
I have sympathy with knowing the roots of our faith, of learning of Christ through the Old Testament. That makes me a Messianic gentile in your eyes.

We often disagree on our posts. But usually our disagreements are that you say Paul wants us to disregard Christ when Christ said He did not change God's words, that you say God was changed by Christ. I say God is the same, scripture has unity. Have we been disagreeing about an agreement? Now you are saying you believe Christ and Paul agree!!! Christ spoke well of Moses, the base of many of your posts is that Moses was to be discarded by Christ, Paul said so was my understanding of your posts. Is my understanding of your stand wrong?
 
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psychomom

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the Bible tells one story and points to One Figure...

there's no disagreement between what Jesus said and what the Holy Spirit
gave Paul to say.
it is we who create that.
 
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JesusIsAll

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that's the problem with life by law (either God's or our own).
life by law by its very nature turns us inward...leads to comparison
...
how am i doing? which leads either to despair if you think you're not cutting it,
or self righteousness if you think you are. :(

when we live life by Grace...we look outside of ourselves to Jesus.
we are able to acknowledge our sin...see the log in our own eye...
that leads us to compassion for others, and allows the fruit of the Spirit to shine.

we can't showcase Jesus when it's all about us and what we do. :)

It ain't over 'til my schizoid mama sings!
 
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JesusIsAll

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I don't understand what this controversy you see about Paul is. He was commissioned by the Lord Himself, revealed mysteries of God's truth, was a holy man of God who wrote inspired scripture, all of which is the word of God. If it's scripture, except for those few times Paul explicitly stated he was speaking for himself, that scripture is of the Spirit of Christ, of the Lord! I've seen stuff on the web entirely denying Paul, and it's such foolishness, but there are new apostasies cropping up, or old ones rehashed, I'd not seen before. The times are getting very depraved.
 
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JesusIsAll

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but because i love you...i'll spare you that. lol
Wow! Wisdom and mercy! You're too good to have a CC login. Love you, too. (But where's them earplugs...)
 
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TrainforGodliness

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Certainly not a different gospel, but different audiences. Jesus spoke almost exclusively to Jews who were living under the Mosaic covenant, while Paul primarily worked with Genitles, many of whom were probably "God-fearers" often found in synagogues during the first century. Jews and Gentiles were separated by religious history, culture, language, politics, and so much more. The same message delivered to ANY two audiences so different from one another is bound to sound different when the speakers contextualize their message.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Certainly not a different gospel, but different audiences. Jesus spoke almost exclusively to Jews who were living under the Mosaic covenant, while Paul primarily worked with Genitles, many of whom were probably "God-fearers" often found in synagogues during the first century. Jews and Gentiles were separated by religious history, culture, language, politics, and so much more. The same message delivered to ANY two audiences so different from one another is bound to sound different when the speakers contextualize their message.
The message of our Lord Jesus was not complete, either, until after His ascension, hence His commissioning Paul. It took the Lord, through Paul, to clarify grace versus law, which was a real controversy and error within the church at Jerusalem. Paul as well revealed further mysteries, like the rapture. It's just like our God, so ironic and mysterious His ways, that a Pharisee would clarify the law of love and grace, who may have, as Saul, strained at a gnat (certainly swallowed some camels, prior to the road to Damascus), becomes the one to clarify the law of death.
 

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That's good stuff cross, thanks for sharing! The consistency between Jesus and Paul provides us so much confidence and security in God's merciful salvation for us.
I could have gone on and on but my signature loomed larger and larger :p
 

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Honestly, for me it's surprising how sneaky 'living life by your own works' can be. You can be doing and thinking it without even realising. I guess it's a constant renewing of the mind done by the Spirit of God. By default, this is how the world lives and we had been brought up in that until we received the life of Christ.
You just said two mouthfuls.
 

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I have sympathy with knowing the roots of our faith, of learning of Christ through the Old Testament. That makes me a Messianic gentile in your eyes.

We often disagree on our posts. But usually our disagreements are that you say Paul wants us to disregard Christ when Christ said He did not change God's words, that you say God was changed by Christ. I say God is the same, scripture has unity. Have we been disagreeing about an agreement? Now you are saying you believe Christ and Paul agree!!! Christ spoke well of Moses, the base of many of your posts is that Moses was to be discarded by Christ, Paul said so was my understanding of your posts. Is my understanding of your stand wrong?
I'll refer you to posts #16 and #17...and they are not mine.
 
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