Divorce and Remarriage

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pastac

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iwant2serve said:
That was not opening another can of worms, that was defining them. As for children committing adultery show me in scriptures where they cant if they are married. Marriage is marriage period and the Bible is clear on grounds for remarriage in spite of what we try to make it be. Funny thing to me is we as believers talk about other religions and how they create their own Bible, yet we place GRACE in place of the commandments given for us to live by. With that we justify how we can continue to live that lifestyle and say we are believers. So what is the difference in that?
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One man one woman selected by God for us, that was the original plan. When we select by our own will or proposed mates we sometimes miss who God has made especially for us. Until we come in agreement with who God has selected for us we have done our own thing. It is safe for me to assume I'd much rather let God direct me on any matter that his word raises concerning me. Re marriage was addressed by Jesus himself at the well with the woman from Samaria she had been married five times and was working on her sixth Jesus told her even he was not her husband!
 
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pastac

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Divorce was a heart issue then its a hear issue now. God is the healer of hearts and the revealer of the intent of the heart, I'm going with The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit on teaching me I'll use the manmade tools and help if they line up with Gods word and If I am wrong in my division or understanding of his word God himself will chastise and correct me he said he would. I welcome his chastisements or correction anytime.
 
iwant2serve

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pastac said:
One man one woman selected by God for us, that was the original plan. When we select by our own will or proposed mates we sometimes miss who God has made especially for us. Until we come in agreement with who God has selected for us we have done our own thing. It is safe for me to assume I'd much rather let God direct me on any matter that his word raises concerning me. Re marriage was addressed by Jesus himself at the well with the woman from Samaria she had been married five times and was working on her sixth Jesus told her even he was not her husband!
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Didn't Jesus tell her that the husband she had now was nto her's? What do you do with something that is not yours? Do you keep it claiming it to be yours or get rid of it?
I feel for people who have been put in this situation and some not of their own choice, yet that does not change what Jesus said nor does it make it ok to continue in. A thief must stop stealing, and drunk must stop getting drunk, a fornicator must stop fornicating, and idolitor must leave the idols alone, and a lier must stop lying. So why can a adulter must stop commiting adultry.
 
CS1

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pastac said:
Divorce was a heart issue then its a hear issue now. God is the healer of hearts and the revealer of the intent of the heart, I'm going with The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit on teaching me I'll use the manmade tools and help if they line up with Gods word and If I am wrong in my division or understanding of his word God himself will chastise and correct me he said he would. I welcome his chastisements or correction anytime.
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Pastac you must know that is sounds like you are wanting to teach on what you know from your manmade tools and help if they line up with Gods word but those that seem not to line up with the context of how you presented it is in error am I wrong in that? I too agree with the mercy and forgiveness from the Lord but you use the word children marrying please explain why that is the example you use? "Did God ordain and sanction children being married in the original plan instituted in the Garden when he performed the first marriage?"

if you could speak from a layman position it would be helpful.
 
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pastac

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That is a point that is over looked that I point out but the thing you miss is the five before, he told her the truth no he did not condone her actions but he also inferred to her to get in order she had a experience with Jesus he exposed her faults now it was up to her to get in his order. She had five other husbands thus remarriage was happening then. Jesus addressed that issue. The one she was with was not her husband. He did not say she would not have a husband but that the husband she had was not hers!

I'm not going into she was a adulterer or cheating or whatever I simply take scripture at what was said He addressed the remarriage issue with grace compassion and truth he was the word why would I teach or do anything any different. What do you do with something that is not your you say get rid of it! Agreed. That also is with sin, lying, demonic influence anything that God has not placed in us for us we are to get rid of. Ignorance is one thing he wants us to get rid of as well, he wants us rid of all besetting sins anything that takes us from him or our understanding of his ways.
 
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pastac said:
That is a point that is over looked that I point out but the thing you miss is the five before, he told her the truth no he did not condone her actions but he also inferred to her to get in order she had a experience with Jesus he exposed her faults now it was up to her to get in his order. She had five other husbands thus remarriage was happening then. Jesus addressed that issue. The one she was with was not her husband. He did not say she would not have a husband but that the husband she had was not hers!

I'm not going into she was a adulterer or cheating or whatever I simply take scripture at what was said He addressed the remarriage issue with grace compassion and truth he was the word why would I teach or do anything any different. What do you do with something that is not your you say get rid of it! Agreed. That also is with sin, lying, demonic influence anything that God has not placed in us for us we are to get rid of. Ignorance is one thing he wants us to get rid of as well, he wants us rid of all besetting sins anything that takes us from him or our understanding of his ways.
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If she return to any of the husbands after Jesus spoke would she had been ok to do so ?
 
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pastac

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If she return to any of the husbands after Jesus spoke would she had been ok to do so ?
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only if and I repeat only if that was the husband God had ordained for her. So since the question is hypothetical to ask me to give my opinion is what gets Christians in trouble. She and Jesus had a conversation he outed her then gave her the choice to make. He had already made a way of escape for her when she told him the truth. That moved Jesus. If she returns to the husbands is not different that returning to sin or sin returning to us.
My thought without getting tied to this is she had a conversation that changed her she was willing to change she asked for what Jesus had she asked for what he was offering. In order for her to receive she had to do things his way. When we line our thinking up with his that is when we are ok. When we think of our own volition and in our own mind is when all the hell comes forth. We are to take on the mind of Christ to understand the things of Christ or else they just become foolishness the word says. This is my best response to your question.
 
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All i know is, I will not be marrying a woman who was divorced, and if I get married, and she divorces me - I won't do it, i'll stay single for the rest of my life
 
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pastac

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Pastac you must know that is sounds like you are wanting to teach on what you know from your manmade tools and help if they line up with Gods word but those that seem not to line up with the context of how you presented it is in error am I wrong in that? I too agree with the mercy and forgiveness from the Lord but you use the word children marrying please explain why that is the example you use? "Did God ordain and sanction children being married in the original plan instituted in the Garden when he performed the first marriage?"


if you could speak from a layman position it would be helpful.
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I did not bring up that point it was brought out by another poster trying sincerely I think to make a point off topic as I remember. My teaching is this children marrying did not happen in the garden because there were no children. So the marriage order outlined was one man one woman. That's it period go back and look at the post and see where the children issue began you'll gain clarity to my responses. I do not agree with several of the claims by lots of posters on cc and the word is clear to me as it is to others it is just sad to see how far off we are as body believers.
 
CS1

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pastac said:
I did not bring up that point it was brought out by another poster trying sincerely I think to make a point off topic as I remember. My teaching is this children marrying did not happen in the garden because there were no children. So the marriage order outlined was one man one woman. That's it period go back and look at the post and see where the children issue began you'll gain clarity to my responses. I do not agree with several of the claims by lots of posters on cc and the word is clear to me as it is to others it is just sad to see how far off we are as body believers.
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thank you for the clarity
 
iwant2serve

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For everyone who does not understand read these scriptures Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:1-9, Mark 10:1-12, Roman 7:2-3 (the context of this passage is talking about how the law is dead and we are no longer underit. comparing it to marriage. So as long as the husbane is alive (the Law) the wife is bound to him), Luke 16:17-18 and 1 Cor 7-10-11. If this is not clear enough then there is nothing anyone can tell you whoever you are. Now I do believe that if the marriage ends in adultry the innocent one is now free to remarry but the guilty one is to remain unmarried. The only other reason the bible gives for divorce is if the unbeliever wants to leave you let them leave but that does not mean you get to remarry either. So if there is abuse you can leave it's smart to leave but you cannot remarry.
 
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