Is the mark going to come from Islam?

[Brainfreeze]

Never said prevent, how can anyone prevent free will? We have the gift of choice, real christians will make the right choice. How am I contradicting myself when I gave a clear example, I was still sinning, God gave me something to see, that the Spirit bring correction. I now know that it's wrong, and won't do it. If we know something is wrong and refuse to change it, we will not be let in to Heaven. We can't say o well, I'll correct it tomorrow, God doesn't promise tomorrow. We must be right with Him today. As I showed in the example, that's how the Spirit corrects it, I was saved still making people feel uncomfortable with worldly music, sin, I didn't know I was sinning though, seen it as harmless, not hurting others, the Spirit showed me otherwise and I changed it. Simple.

 

[Kerry]

To the OP- no, it will be much like Apple pay as society will accept it, they already say throw out your wallet and no need for cash. But it cannot be forced it must be accepted and not under guise or deceit you know what your doing.

 

[Brainfreeze]

But this was my point that we have the power to overcome sin.



But do you agree with him that the true believer doesn't sin anymore? This seems to be a point of disagreement between you two.

also, how much sin do we commit before we lose out salvation? How much works do we need to do to sustain out salvation?

Not by works, by faith we get grace. Jim said that he's not perfect, but he's no sinner. It seems contradictory but it's not, Jim's heart is right with God. His intent is not the same, his old man is gone,he probably doesn't cuss like a sailor as I'm sure we both did before being saved, he probably looks different then he did, he probably will help a older women with her bags or give a homeless man a meal and five bucks with a prayer if he seen someone. Doesn't mean if a ladder falls on his head he won't scream out in anger, the intent is different. a new creations has come. He lives in a different way now, he has light in him.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Mind you, Jim and my self (read his testimony) were both tricked thinking we had power and respect in the underworld, of course our thought processes and planning were different then yours maybe, we were calculated, a step ahead, neither of us wanted to go back to jail, but we wanted what we wanted, chasing after smoking mirrors. We had no light in us, at this time. After being saved, I'm sure Jim would agree we never thought of touching or doing the stuff ever again. We looked, talked, dressed, hung around with, listened to different things, we changed ...overnight

 

[Brainfreeze]

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I don't think the same anymore, there's been a "renewing of my mind". The old has gone, the new has come.

Ezekial 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Turned from a lying, slick mouthed drug dealer and evil doer, to the Godly man talking to you'll today. This is a miracle, I can name so many miracles, that He keeps me in awe. Gave me a mega peace instantly, took me from drug addiction over night! These are big things for me, there's tons of little miracles as well. There is big distinct differences, from the wicked who live in sin, and do not have the Holy Spirit, to the good, that does have the Holy Spirit. Then there's some that do these things and don't know they were evil, maybe bad, but no malicious intent.

 

[vic1980]

Revelation 13:5 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


Something to consider Ka'aba in mecca saudi arabia perhaps has something to do with the image that will speak , according to muslim koran/hadith book it will be given eyes and a tongue to speak.

 

[Jackson123]

Revelation 13:5 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


Something to consider Ka'aba in mecca saudi arabia perhaps has something to do with the image that will speak , according to muslim koran/hadith book it will be given eyes and a tongue to speak.

Why that verse bit different from King James version?

[SUP]5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[vic1980]

Why that verse bit different from King James version?

[SUP]5[/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

thx it was a typo, it actually Revelation 13:15

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Something to consider Ka'aba in mecca saudi arabia perhaps has something to do with the image that will speak , according to muslim koran/hadith book it will be given eyes and a tongue to speak.

 

[Jackson123]

thx it was a typo, it actually Revelation 13:15

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Something to consider Ka'aba in mecca saudi arabia perhaps has something to do with the image that will speak , according to muslim koran/hadith book it will be given eyes and a tongue to speak.

the different is, in the kJV not mention image at all, and KJV mention 42 months. It almost like 2 different information.

 

[OnThisRock]

Agree with you 100%!! During the Great Tribulation the Antichrist & False Prophet will initiate a reign of terror against God's chosen people the Jews and converted followers of Jesus Christ. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which radical group(s) hate Jewish & Christians with passion to exterminate them for the two evil ones.

The pharisees do. Those are the ones that have hated me the most!

 

[Jimbone]

Honestly, JB I don't know where you're getting this stuff. Is there a particular preacher or teacher you're herding this stuff from?

Yep, I get it all from a teacher, the Holy Spirit along with God’s word (the bible). To be honest I don't really see the major differences in what we are saying anymore. It seems you have admitted exactly what point I was making in my first comment with this comment "I say that a saved christian is capable of any sin. Habitually, he no longer practices sins on an ongoing basis, but he can still slip up from time to time."
That was my point to start with, that we can't just keep sinning as much as we want, but there was a couple places where I didn't word it the best way, but you just read "Christians CAN'T sin", and "I NEVER said that at all. The closest I came to that was "A Christian can't commit the same sin twice", and I acknowledged that wasn't a correct statement, all I meant was the same sin over, and over, and over. Then once Brian comes in you just start building Straw men like your opening a scarecrow factory, for example this

"What sins do you think a christian can commit and which ones do you think he cannot commit?" I never once said there were sins that Christians Couldn't commit, ever, show me where I said this.

"And who said anything about wanting to? I certainly don't want to. I'm just not buying the idea that it is impossible for a saved person to do this."
Again can you point me where I ever said it was impossible for a Christian to sin? I never made that claim, ever.

This is the last point I never said, the same basic thing, but you keep putting words in my mouth.

"If you agree with that, you disagree with Jim who says christians never fall into sin"

Again SHOW me where I have EVER said this, in my life not just on CC if you can. I guess what I say just makes you very nervous inside and cause’s it to warp my words in your head, but I agree with this fully with this comment “I say that a saved christian is capable of any sin. Habitually, he no longer practices sins on an ongoing basis, but he can still slip up from time to time”, and was my original point, but for whatever reason YOU didn’t read it that way while Brain did. Two people can see it clearly while one is fighting it by warping the argument. Why couldn’t you see what I was saying? I don’t know, that’s a question for yourself.

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree with everything Jim is saying and to add, everyone loves to justify killing through David, but does everyone forget David lost a son? He had to burry the kings son, David went through a lot of hardship, but never cursed or turned away that God is just that, God. God can make life and take life. Just because David made a sin, doesn't mean we want to, unless we want more pain headed our way. Don't just read pieces of a story but try to understand the whole situation.

There is an even bigger painting if you will in this whole ordeal.....

1. Under the LAW David should have been put to death....
2. Instead the innocent firstborn son of David took his place...

Like a picture of Jesus....the Son of David and being innocent took our place and paid the price we should have paid....!

 

[Calminian]

Not by works, by faith we get grace. Jim said that he's not perfect, but he's no sinner. It seems contradictory but it's not, Jim's heart is right with God. His intent is not the same, his old man is gone,he probably doesn't cuss like a sailor as I'm sure we both did before being saved, he probably looks different then he did, he probably will help a older women with her bags or give a homeless man a meal and five bucks with a prayer if he seen someone. Doesn't mean if a ladder falls on his head he won't scream out in anger, the intent is different. a new creations has come. He lives in a different way now, he has light in him.

Yes, it's contradictory. We're all sinners. If we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. You're guys are not just imperfect, you're wretched sinners, and in desperate need for the Christ. I wish the old man was gone, but he has been crucified with Christ. Romans 6 and 7 can never be separated from one another. You are no longer a slave to sin, and sin no longer has dominion over you if you are in Christ. But you still sin daily. You're are still in your body of death.

Rom. 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

If you can't admit you're a wretched man, you'll never accept the gift Christ is offering you.

Now I'm sure that Jim has made changes, but a lot of people make changes, even the unsaved. People conquer alcohol and different addictions, and often without coming to Christ. You and Jim still sin and are still wretched. If Paul considered himself wretched, we're all wretched.

Now I hope Jim is saved. I can't know for sure, and the nasty PM he sent me makes me doubt it, but I can't know for sure. I just know his theology is off.

BTW, I'd recommend John MacArthur's sermons on Romans 6 & 7. I don't think there's anything better out there.

 

[Jimbone]

Yes, it's contradictory. We're all sinners. If we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us. You're guys are not just imperfect, you're wretched sinners, and in desperate need for the Christ. I wish the old man was gone, but he has been crucified with Christ. Romans 6 and 7 can never be separated from one another. You are no longer a slave to sin, and sin no longer has dominion over you if you are in Christ. But you still sin daily. You're are still in your body of death.

Rom. 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

If you can't admit you're a wretched man, you'll never accept the gift Christ is offering you.

Now I'm sure that Jim has made changes, but a lot of people make changes, even the unsaved. People conquer alcohol and different addictions, and often without coming to Christ. You and Jim still sin and are still wretched. If Paul considered himself wretched, we're all wretched.

Now I hope Jim is saved. I can't know for sure, and the nasty PM he sent me makes me doubt it, but I can't know for sure. I just know his theology is off.

BTW, I'd recommend John MacArthur's sermons on Romans 6 & 7. I don't think there's anything better out there.

Hey can you post the nasty PM, I never sent one so someone else may have sent it using my name. All my argument was posted in this thread. I am telling you I truly never sent you a PM at all.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Habitually, he no longer practices sins on an ongoing basis, but he can still slip up from time to time”, and was my original point, but for whatever reason YOU didn’t read it that way while Brain did. Two people can see it clearly while one is fighting it by warping the argument. Why couldn’t you see what I was saying? I don’t know, that’s a question for yourself.

I've found those that put words in your mouth are often ones looking for arguments, trollish people. Not mentioning any names, I put a few on ignore for this reason, a consistent pattern of twisting one's words and attacks, things often said not even relevant to the comments made. When you have to ask, "Where did that come from?" a few times, you're just encouraging them to even reply.

 

[Calminian]

Yep, I get it all from a teacher, the Holy Spirit along with God’s word (the bible). To be honest I don't really see the major differences in what we are saying anymore.....

I think the problem is you see in peoples posts what you want to see. Instead of listening, you jump to conclusions then make accusations. I think you'd be served by typing less and reading more. I've tried to agree with you a number of points but you couldn't get out of fight mode.

This is part of our wretched nature. It's what we do. You're battle with sin has just begun if you've recently come to know Christ. Once you admit this, you'll have more victory.

 

[Calminian]

I've found those that put words in your mouth are often ones looking for arguments, trollish people. Not mentioning any names, I put a few on ignore for this reason, a consistent pattern of twisting one's words and attacks, things often said not even relevant to the comments made. When you have to ask, "Where did that come from?" a few times, you're just encouraging them to even reply.

Boy amen to this. I've been falsely accused up and down. Now Jim says he now agrees with me. LOL. I've been saying the same things in every post for at least a dozen posts now.

 

[Jimbone]

I think the problem is you see in peoples posts what you want to see. Instead of listening, you jump to conclusions then make accusations. I think you'd be served by typing less and reading more. I've tried to agree with you a number of points but you couldn't get out of fight mode.

This is part of our wretched nature. It's what we do. You're battle with sin has just begun if you've recently come to know Christ. Once you admit this, you'll have more victory.

Hey never mind I did send the PM meant for Brain to you, but I don't see how it was "nasty", but I sent it to you on accident, and just incase people are curious if it was "nasty" or not here it is.

"Ol’ Calminian must live with a bunch of scarecrows with all the straw men he builds. He said “If you agree with that, you disagree with Jim who says christians never fall into sin, and can always resist certain sins”, and “You are saying that a saved christian cannot commit certain sins but can commit others”, lol I sure wish he could point out exactly where I said these things.

Then throws this in there as his own view when this was basically what I said in the first place.

“I say that a saved christian is capable of any sin. Habitually, he no longer practices sins on an ongoing basis, but he can still slip up from time to time.”


This is the argument in Christianity that I hate the most, like Jesus died as a free pass to heaven, for you to sins as much as you want and it doesn’t matter? I just hate it when people are convinced of this like he is, throwing Romans 7 out like he skipped over 6. It sucks because I know too and I thought I was saved for a long time under that same deception, but once we are shown that truth by God, we now have to speak it as He puts it on our hearts. I really feel for this guy, he really thinks he knows what this stuff is all about, and I stumble with how to describe the change He makes in us, and how very REAL the supernatural is once that veil is lifted. All he hears is me say “Christians don’t sin”, and just “proclaiming Jesus” isn’t enough for salvation (which it’s not). He just doesn’t even try to see my point of view, and I even acknowledged a point he made about what I said about a Christian not committing the same sin twice. I just hate to see people fight for those deceptions put out here to trip us up, however I do also know it’s all His plan and I have no say in who comes to Him or who doesn’t. I would say “thanks for having my back”, but we both know we were just doing what we’re called to.

Just out of curiosity where are you from? (You don’t have to answer if you don’t want) I’m down here in the Florida panhandle and this is where I grew up to. Anyways thanks again for the support brother, and may God continue to light your way."

 

[Calminian]

Hey can you post the nasty PM, I never sent one so someone else may have sent it using my name. All my argument was posted in this thread. I am telling you I truly never sent you a PM at all.

Really? Strange, but I'll take your word for it. I'll report it in fact. The PMer was actually asking where I live.

 

[Calminian]

Hey never mind I did send the PM meant for Brain to you, but I don't see how it was "nasty", but I sent it to you on accident, and just incase people are curious if it was "nasty" or not here it is....

LOL. Busted gossiping. No, problem it happens. The old man won't go away til the day we're glorified.

Hopefully you can see now my point. Any christian is capable of any sin. You can put up a front, but it's just that. Try to lift yourself up as righteous, you'll be exposed fast. We're all wretched sinners, and I'm right there with ya fighting the same impulses.