Is the mark going to come from Islam?

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I don't think so. That would just be wrong and just mean. Lucifer himself right now don't even know where the anti-Christ will come from and he is the leader too. so funny.
 
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Seen a sign close to my house, said "the messiah is coming"
why do they come to this country "US"who's under Yahweh the true God and go on with their traditions and religion
Pretty sick of hearing about them constantly cutting people up and all and then say it's not islam, when the ones doing have verses in the koran that enables them to do such.
 
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I don't understand us. Rich poor free bond, no man can buy and sell without money, and we're looking for something else? Sure it's more than that but it is the direct physical image of the root of it all. We give money and it's various divisions according to it life.
 

RickyZ

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I think radical Islam is going to be the catalyst for the worldwide crackdown on all religion (we wouldn't want to discriminate now, would we?) which will be a large part of the system that initiates the mark.
 
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I don't want to discriminate but seems they have a double standard, one lives peaceful, for the radicals, they have something for them to, live radical

somethings got to give, maybe a updated koran or something.

you don't see people killing in the name of Jesus since Catholics killing other christians, but other cultures or religions, God took care of abominations.
 
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If you were Jewish and lived in Jerusalem ten years before Christ came and could study scripture night and day, do you think you could tell all about how it would be when Christ came? Remember that you would be living under a foreign government's power, a government you hated.

I don't think you would have been able to predict Christ as He lived it if you lived then, and I don't think you can decide how God will do what He has said He will do when Christ returns.
 
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biscuit

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I think radical Islam is going to be the catalyst for the worldwide crackdown on all religion (we wouldn't want to discriminate now, would we?) which will be a large part of the system that initiates the mark.
Agree with you 100%!! During the Great Tribulation the Antichrist & False Prophet will initiate a reign of terror against God's chosen people the Jews and converted followers of Jesus Christ. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which radical group(s) hate Jewish & Christians with passion to exterminate them for the two evil ones.
 

Word_Swordsman

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Agree with you 100%!! During the Great Tribulation the Antichrist & False Prophet will initiate a reign of terror against God's chosen people the Jews and converted followers of Jesus Christ. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure which radical group(s) hate Jewish & Christians with passion to exterminate them for the two evil ones.
Strictly my opinion: That hasn't yet been revealed, but a strong leaning these days puts an ISIL Caliphate ruling all the Middle East. They live by all the Koran, while moderate Muslims omit parts of it like we don't live by the Old Testament law for our salvation. That puts the moderates in trouble with the extremists. ISIL is slaughtering moderates, i.e. Iranian soldiers daring to defy them, and any other group they find opposing them at all. Their means of conversion to Islam is not preaching/teaching, but convert or die. They will shoot their way in then entertain beheadings and cutting off hands. When the beheadings get into the hundreds per day as they sweep across Europe, it seems reasonable for the Beast, probably the Caliphate, marking everyone ahead of their advance. Jews were marked in the Holocaust with a Star of David while they were still free to move about in their towns. When the Germans came, they easily spotted their prisoners. ISIL wouldn't have to waste time interviewing people. They would behead according to mark or no mark.

At some point when they number in the millions they would go after the biggest prize, Israel. Jordananian Muslims and others in Jordan would have long been exterminated, and Egypt, and Lebanon, totally surrounding Israel. Just before Israel, Gaza would be exterminated, as Palestinians are not Koranic extremists. They are weak, not able to keep Hamas out. Possibly Hamas would join ISIL.

The US would remain in isolation as that spreads across two continents. Upon the attempt against Israel, Israel would be routed out of their cities, saved in the last minute by Jesus intervening at the battle at the valley of Megiddo. Millions of the enemy will be passing through. All of them will die with a peculiar mark, their tongues vaporized, and floating in a sea of blood.

Well, it could be something the Pope does. Naw, the present Pope is the last one. I'm thinking he will die before the mark of the beast begins, leaving world consternation as a big distraction, the news forgetting to cover ISIL. World-wide tv watchers will be absorbed with his funeral while the big war begins over there.
 

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we know the Sabbath is Gods sign or mark.

go google sunday law please.

it is allready started being inforced

look at trade and work unions around the world
 

prove-all

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Islam is not the mark,

Islam headed by iran is the king of the south.

He's pushing at the king of the north,

which is united europe, lead by Germany.

also Russia and china makes gog and magog together.

Putin is the prince of Rosh for sure.

we are looking for a strong German leader to emerge.

with the church will again make the 7th holy roman empire.
 

jb

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Islam is not the mark,

Islam headed by iran is the king of the south.

He's pushing at the king of the north,

which is united europe, lead by Germany.

also Russia and china makes gog and magog together.

Putin is the prince of Rosh for sure.

we are looking for a strong German leader to emerge.

with the church will again make the 7th holy roman empire.
prove-all!
 

Word_Swordsman

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we know the Sabbath is Gods sign or mark..........
I fail to find a single command in the New Covenant to worship on any particular day, or that Sunday was other than a day under the lordship of Jesus. Jesus is our sabbath rest, that being but one of a multitude of New Covenant benefits. It is my belief Saturday sabbath was a sign of the old covenant, for the Jews, not intended for Gentiles of their day, or Christians. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath according to
Luke 6:5 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Yet He never commanded followers to keep the Jew's sabbath.

No day has mastery over men today unless they submit to the old covenant. In the New Covenant the fourth commandment was left out because the Kingdom of Heaven had arrived via Christ (The Anointed) Jesus ended the need for a shadow of what was to come, an eternal rest better than the lesser rest allowed the Jews in memorial of the deliverance of God in Exodus.

Jesus arose on Sunday. His arising from death is quite significant, marking the birth of the New Covenant that was sealed with His blood. That day is far better than the Old Covenant day set in death while Jesus yet was on the cross.

Here are some verse leads about when disciples did meet on Sundays:
Acts 20:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.



1 Corinthians 16:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

They are not said to have met in synagogues on the last day of the week, then expected to gather the tithes for Paul to pick up.

I'd say it's safe to drop the last day sign, stick to Sunday as the long-held day convenient and meaningful to born again disciples. Paul taught them not to receive judgment over any sabbath day, moon, food or any of that the Jews were beholding to.

The sign in question is not a "sign" like a religious day, but an actual mark, a tattoo perhaps like a brand on a cow on the forehead or hand. Without it a person won't be allowed to buy or sell any day of the week. The idea is those without a mark are left to starve, hopefully looking to God.
Revelation 14:9-11 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
It speaks of those following the Beast. Perhaps it is an angel that does the marking? Or maybe the angels let men do that. If someone decided later to change over, they would have to peel their forehead off or sever the marked hand. That would be a tough decision. So looking at it that way anyone lacking one or the other mark would be targeted by the Antichrist army. It would make it easier for the strange creatures of Revelation to fly about stinging folks of the Beast only.

The Beast won't be going after Sunday worshippers, as the Church is gone after Revelation 4. He's going after folks not wearing that mark, not worshipping Antichrist.

All Christians avoid taking any sign like that in Revelation 14:9

There is in 14:1 a good mark, the name of the Father God in the foreheads of 144,000 virgin Jews, youths selected from the 12 tribes of Isreal in those days, who will not bow. They will be great evangelists for Christ. If you meet one some day know the rapture is history, and you will know they are on God's side. Welcome them warmly, bless them well, [follow their instructions (my opinion)].
 
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biscuit

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Well, it could be something the Pope does. Naw, the present Pope is the last one. I'm thinking he will die before the mark of the beast begins, leaving world consternation as a big distraction, the news forgetting to cover ISIL. World-wide tv watchers will be absorbed with his funeral while the big war begins over there.

Actually it is the False Prophet (Pope) who will try to enforce the populace to worship a statute of the Antichrist and initiates & designs the 666 marking. (Revelation 13:11-18).
 

Word_Swordsman

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Actually it is the False Prophet who will try to enforce the populace to worship a statute of the Antichrist and initiate & design the 666 marking. (Revelation 13:11-18).
Amen. I figure he's the one of the unholy 3 that will be free to visit America overseeing this nation in those days, as well as the rest of the world. He might already be preaching on TV. Good grief Charlie Brown! I picture him walking past security right into the president's office without invitation, which apparently isn't so hard given that incident in the news last week or two. The Pope couldn't do that. He's too slow anyway. The false prophet will be the evil counterpart of Billy Graham who counseled presidents too. Yes, I am aware of some silly things Graham in his old age, but hos books make all that clear. So would the then sitting president be allowed to govern without that mark? Might he force all our military to be so marked? Every cop? The water meter reader who knows someone inside is using it or not? The idea is to paralyze any nation that might otherwise be of help to Israel.
 
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Well, it could be something the Pope does. Naw, the present Pope is the last one. I'm thinking he will die before the mark of the beast begins, leaving world consternation as a big distraction, the news forgetting to cover ISIL. World-wide tv watchers will be absorbed with his funeral while the big war begins over there.

Actually it is the False Prophet (Pope) who will try to enforce the populace to worship a statute of the Antichrist and initiates & designs the 666 marking. (Revelation 13:11-18).
Close. The False Prophet is Apostate Protestantism of the United States, which through religious law, will force others to observe the Sunday Lord's Day as created by the Beast, Papacy, long ago. Click the link in my signature.

God Bless
 
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Question: "Who is the false prophet of the end times?"

Answer:
The false prophet of the end times is described in Revelation 13:11-15. He is also referred to as the “second beast” (Revelation 16:13, 19:20, 20:10). Together with the Antichrist and Satan, who empowers both of them, the false prophet is the third party in the unholy trinity.

The apostle John describes this person and gives us clues to identifying him when he shows up. First, he comes out of the earth. This could mean he comes up from the pit of hell with all the demonic powers of hell at his command. It could also mean he comes from lowly circumstances, secret and unknown until he bursts on the world stage at the right hand of the Antichrist. He is depicted as having horns like a lamb, while speaking like a dragon. The horns on lambs are merely small bumps on their heads until the lamb grows into a ram. Rather than having the Antichrist’s multiplicity of heads and horns, showing his power and might and fierceness, the false prophet comes like a lamb, winsomely, with persuasive words that elicit sympathy and good will from others. He may be an extraordinary preacher or orator whose demonically empowered words will deceive the multitudes. But he speaks like a dragon, which means his message is the message of a dragon. Revelation 12:9 identifies the dragon as the devil and Satan.

Verse 12 gives us the false prophet’s mission on earth, which is to force humanity to worship the Antichrist. He has all the authority of the Antichrist because, like him, the false prophet is empowered by Satan. It is not clear whether people are forced to worship the Antichrist or whether they are so enamored of these powerful beings that they fall for the deception and worship him willingly. The fact that the second beast uses miraculous signs and wonders, including fire from heaven, to establish the credibility of both of them would seem to indicate that people will fall before them in adoration of their power and message. Verse 14 goes on to say the deception will be so great that the people will set up an idol to the Antichrist and worship it. This is reminiscent of the huge golden image of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 3) before which all were to bow down and pay homage. Revelation 14:9-11, however, describes the ghastly fate that awaits those who worship the image of the Antichrist.

Those who survive the terrors of the Tribulation to this point will be faced with two hard choices. Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will be subject to death (v. 15), but those who do worship him will incur the wrath of God. The image will be extraordinary in that it will be able to “speak.” This doesn’t mean it will come to life—the Greek word here is pneuma meaning “breath” or “current” of air, not the word bios (“life”)—but it does mean that it will have some kind of ability to breathe forth the message of the Antichrist and the false prophet. Along with being the spokesman for them, the image will also condemn to death those who refuse to worship the unholy pair. In our technological world, it is not hard to imagine such a scenario.

Whoever the false prophet turns out to be, the final world deception and the final apostasy will be great, and the whole world will be caught up in it. The deceivers and false teachers we see today are the forerunners of the Antichrist and the false prophet, and we must not be deceived by them. These false teachers abound, and they are moving us toward a final satanic kingdom. We must faithfully proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ and rescue the souls of men and women from the coming disaster.

Recommended Resources: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware andLogos Bible Software.

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