Could the Mark of the Beast be Fulfilled Prophecy?

[PeteWaldo]

For folks that are supposed to be looking for the imminent return of our Lord and Savior, there is certainly no shortage of "will be" and "some day" being advanced in this forum, while at the same time very little "what if?" being considered.

But is it possible that the mark of the beast could be fulfilled prophecy?
Let's first consider John's assignment:

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

So let's consider Revelation through John's eyes in his first century, and things "which are" and "shall be" to John, through an ethnographic hermeneutic. Consider John's "whole "world" through Strong's:

Strong's:
​

world
​

New Testament Greek Definition:​

3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}​

feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by​

implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f​

AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
​

1) the inhabited earth
​

1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in​

distinction from the lands of the barbarians
​

1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire​

1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world​

1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
​

2) the universe, the world​

Based on that regional hermeneutic, what did John's whole "world" look like, by the 5th century?

Next consider:

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

In this chapter John describes the succession of kingdoms that occurred before, during, and after his day.
We learn from the second verse quoted above that the term "king" and "beast" (kingdom) are interchangeable for that passage.
JOHN'S EIGHT BEASTS

So what kingdom "beast" had "not yet come" in John's day, to rule his whole "world", and displace the Roman Empire of his day?

THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast". To argue against Islam being the 7th beast in the succession that John laid out, would be to argue against a historical matter of fact. Is it even reasonable to argue against the Islamic Second Jihad, in the image of the Islamic First Jihad, to be the 8th "beast"?

"….. it is said, five of the seven Kings are fallen, and one is, and another is not yet come; and the Beast that was and is not, being wounded to death with a sword, he is the eighth, and of the seven: he was therefore a collateral part of the seventh." - Isaac Newton

Now consider:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So what is the spiritual condition of John's whole world Today, considering that each and every one of the false prophet Muhammad's followers is an antichrist that denies the Son of God, that also reject the crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Savior as articles of their faith in Muhammad alone? Isn't the "name" of THE false prophet Muhammad's kingdom beast "Islam"?
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...alse-prophet-book-revelation.html#post1716603

What is life like for the Christians and others that are being pursued, beheaded, crucified and persecuted, with houses marked with paint and such, throughout John's whole world today? (That is of course, except for those non-Muslims that live outside the tiny little strip of land of Israel, and the protection of the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State.)

The physical state of John's "world" is a historical matter of fact. The antichrist spiritual state of John's world is a scriptural matter of fact. Is it time for the church to wake up, and seriously reconsider the Roman Jesuit counter-reformation eschatologies of futurism and preterism, that began to come into vogue in the 19th century and took over the church by the time the Islamic kingdom "beast" was healed by western wealth transfer in the late 20th century? (after being mortally wounded in Tours France during the First Islamic Jihad - as pinned mathematically by Daniel)

Was the straying away from the church tradition of historicism, that necessarily precludes a near unanimity of the "church" from even considering that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation, also prophesied?

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Any surprise that yet another John Darby styled and Lalonde, LaHaye and Jenkins profiteering "Left Behind" movie is about to come out?
PRE-TRIB RAPTURE "LEFT BEHIND"

 

[Wall]

But is it possible that the mark of the beast could be fulfilled prophecy?

Fulfilled? How about on going?

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys
below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

DEUT.6 [2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and HIS COMMANDMENTS, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.[4]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: [5]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. [6]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [7]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. [8]And thou shalt bind them for A SIGN UPON THINE HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE EYES.

EXOD.13 [9] And it shall be for a SIGN unto thee UPON THINE HAND, and for A MEMORIAL BETWEEN THINE EYES, that the LORD's LAW may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

 

[PeteWaldo]

To clarify, John described a succession of imperialistic conquering kingdoms that were before his day, all of which persecuted and oppressed God's people, while the kingdom that "is" to John (the Roman Empire) eventually became friendly toward God's people. The imperialistic conquering 7th beast - Islam - was in the mold of the beasts that were before John, again persecuting and oppressing God's people, as the Islamic beast continues to do unto this day.

 

[PeteWaldo]

Fulfilled? How about on going?

Since Christ hasn't yet returned, I would have to agree!

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

First the Beast must be identified. Scripture and history identify only 1 entity that matches every characteristic, the Roman Papacy. Then all you must do is ask them what their Mark of authority is. They flat out tell you, yet the eyes of the world are blinded with theories and opinions and not looking at the obvious.

God Bless

 

[PeteWaldo]

First the Beast must be identified. Scripture and history identify only 1 entity that matches every characteristic, the Roman Papacy.

So then the Papacy was the kingdom that had "not yet come" in John's day, and conquered the Roman Empire of his day!
Looking at the maps of John's whole "world" in the OP, that makes perfect historical sense, doesn't it?!

Then all you must do is ask them what their Mark of authority is. They flat out tell you, .......

Indeed they do. They tell us that they believe that Jesus is the Christ. That they believe that Jesus is the Son of God. That they believe that Jesus was crucified, died and was risen from the dead. That they believe that our sins are washed by the shed blood of the Lamb of God.

While the false prophet Muhammad did, and thus all his followers must, deny the crucifixion of Christ as an article of their faith in Muhammad alone.
THE FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Must of course reject the shed blood of the Messiah, since they don't believe He was crucified, to ever shed any blood.

Must deny that Jesus is the Son of God as another article of their faith in Muhammad alone.
IS ISLAM ANTICHRIST?

Indeed are taught that they commit the single most "heinous" and only unforgivable sin if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even to pray in Jesus' name.
UNFORGIVABLE SIN OF SHIRK

Prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" as the scriptures describe "salat".
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

Are obligated to travel to that black stone idol, and march around it, as the Arabian moon, sun and star worshipers did in their pilgrimages before Muhammad was ever born.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

Are obligated to run back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did before Muhammad was ever born.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

[video=youtube;eyK8_8qeL84]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyK8_8qeL84[/video]

A ritual that Satan's "messenger" adopted and adapted into Islam, with an entirely unhistorical and geographically preposterous fable/lie about Hagar having done so.
GEOGRAPHY OF MECCA - ISLAM

....... yet the eyes of the world are blinded with theories and opinions and not looking at the obvious.

God Bless

Whose blind?

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Blain]

The mark I believe is already here, if anyone remembers the chip that first came with obomacare that goes either on your right arm or your forehead-Coincidence? Then it turns our that they are saying it can replace credit cards and can replace a global currency- heard that from somewhere? then they are saying it can change our dna to cure certain sicknesses and not to mention can be a tracker it can also be scanned for place like airports I mean honestly they are making this chip to do all sorts of things including buying or selling. But it is not mandatory yet thank God, now you can say this sint the mark or it is but honestly it sounds a lot like it to me and Im not willing to take the chance and take it

 

[PeteWaldo]

Based on that regional hermeneutic, what did John's whole "world" look like, by the 5th century?

Correction: ".....by the 7th century?"

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

Tell me, how does Islam fit into into the 1260 "days", which prophetically aren't even days at all? They don't.

Placing the "not yet come" as taking place in John's time is speculation.

Don't be fooled by the Papal delusion. They are the one's who invented Islam and they most certainly do deny that Jesus has come in the flesh, as the word "flesh" does not have to do with just a human body.

I have shared and am willing to share more if you want. It isn't about me or you being right, it is about the truth.

God Bless

 

[PeteWaldo]

Tell me, how does Islam fit into into the 1260 "days", which prophetically aren't even days at all? They don't.

Thank you for asking! Perhaps you mean understanding Islam in John's 1260 "days" doesn't fit Seventh Day Adventism. Here is how it fits scripture and history:
MATHEMATICAL PRECISION OF PROPHECY

Revelation 12:6 (KJV): And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her therea thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

There is no shortage of agreement that Israel, is the "woman" in the context of this verse. If we then consider that the end of the 1260 "days" was when Israel came out of "the wilderness" (of the people Ezekiel 20:35), or out from being scattered among the nations, returning home and declaring her independence in 1948, and subtract 1260 years ("each day for a year"), we arrive at688 AD.

A quick Yahoo search reveals that this is widely understood to be the founding year of the construction of the Islamic mosque, theDome of the Rock.

The founding verses of the Dome of the Rock "O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son."

Confirmed by John's 42 prophetic "months":

There are 365.24 days in our modern solar year, or John's 1st century Julian (365.25) year, divided by 12 months = 30.44 average days in a month:
4. Revelation 11:2: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

The city of Jerusalem was under the foot of, or controlled by, Gentiles until the Israelis took back the holy city in 1967. 42 months x 30.44 days = 1278.5 days (as years). Subtracting this from 1967 we arrive at 688.5. Once again, the founding year of the Dome of the Rock.

Placing the "not yet come" as taking place in John's time is speculation.

Don't be fooled by the Papal delusion. They are the one's who invented Islam and they most certainly do deny that Jesus has come in the flesh, as the word "flesh" does not have to do with just a human body.

I have shared and am willing to share more if you want. It isn't about me or you being right, it is about the truth.

God Bless

The truth, or the 19th century false prophet William Miller's, and after the "Great Disappointment" and in his wake, the false prophetess Ellen White's ideas about the day-year language of prophecy? Wasn't one "disappointment" enough, my friend?
TRADITIONAL FRAMEWORK

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

You, like many others, focus on the messenger instead of the message. I bet you read plenty of 1-sided articles to come to such a conclusion.

God Bless

 

[tonto]

First the Beast must be identified. Scripture and history identify only 1 entity that matches every characteristic, the Roman Papacy. Then all you must do is ask them what their Mark of authority is. They flat out tell you, yet the eyes of the world are blinded with theories and opinions and not looking at the obvious.

God Bless

Hello Sola. I used to believe that too but there are just too many things that lead me to believe no human or human religion or government could possibly make the grade. Revelation 17:8 being one.

I believe it is Abaddon, the angelic king of the abyss. We see in Daniel 8:10 - 8:11 where this beast rises up to the host of Heaven and even casts some of them down. He even exalts himself as high as the Prince of the hosts who is Christ himself.
In Isaiah 24:19-22, we see he is defeated by the Lord.

 

[PeteWaldo]

You, like many others, focus on the messenger instead of the message.

My post focused on the message of the prophetic math, which is the subject that you brought up. While you focused on the messenger alone, while failing altogether to address the subject of the stunning and cross-confirming prophetic math that I cited, for obvious reasons.

I bet you read plenty of 1-sided articles to come to such a conclusion. God Bless

The "1-sided" accusation from the "The Papacy, the Papacy, the Papacy....." guy. My conclusion was based on mathematical calculation, coincident with the textual exegesis of the verses, in the light of their associated math.