so your gospel has no baptism....faith without works...and don't abstain from sin...
The gospel is not baptism. The gospel is the good news of the
death, burial and resurrection of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the
gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are
saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scripture. Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the
gospel of Christ, for it is the
power of God to salvation for everyone who (gets water baptized? NO) for everyone who
BELIEVES.. The gospel is not salvation by H20 or baptized or condemned. That is a "different" gospel that you preach. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be
hid, it is
hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the
god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
"Faith without works is dead" does not mean that a dead faith produces works in order to become a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith or that we are saved by works, but that is the only interpretation that the natural man can understand (1 Corinthians 2:14). Just as I have explained to you before. In James 2:14, James said
says/claims he has faith but has
no works. James did not say that the hypothetical person actually has faith. James even points out can
that faith save him. What kind of faith is
that? Empty profession of faith/dead faith. If you
say/claim you have faith but have
no works to validate your claim, you demonstrate that you have a
dead faith, not genuine faith which is
evidenced by good works. So "faith without works is dead" and it's not because works are the source of life in faith (we have been
made alive together with Christ/source of life - by grace through faith - Ephesians 2:5-8) but because works are the fruit and demonstrative evidence that our faith is alive.
Abstaining from sin is the goal, yet we are not sinless and perfect. So your "different" gospel is salvation by water and works and sinless perfection. This is a different gospel, a perverted gospel that cannot save.
so you think Jesus had no power to forgive sins and to save before he died on the cross?..
Never said that. Strawman argument, as usual.
.go read ...the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life...was it not the same Jesus that called Lazarus from the grave....Jesus describes himself as the true vine and you say ...if one abides in the true vine they cannot bear fruit
No, if one abides in the true vine, they will bear fruit. John 15:5 - I am the vine, you are the branches.
He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; (and those who don't abide) -
for without Me you can do nothing.
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
Notice that Jesus mentions branches that
bear/produce no fruit and branches that
bear/produce fruit (vs. 2) but Jesus says
nothing about branches that bear/produce fruit but then later stop bearing/producing fruit. Also notice in verse 3 - You are
already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. ALL of them? NO! John 13:10 - Jesus said to him, "He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean,
but not all of you." 11 For He knew
who would betray Him; therefore He said,
"You are not all clean." Judas is the self-attached branch who did not abide and was taken away.
something is terribly wrong with you....
LOL! How ironic. Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.
where do you come up with these crazy ideas....how are non believers attached to Christ? self attached branches..
I already explained this to you. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, He neither elected them, nor saved them, nor sustains them. So in John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely
cosmic which bears no fruit, (like Judas Iscariot) and the
vital which bears fruit - like the remaining 11 disciples). Without that vital union with Christ, there can be no life and no productivity.
John is fond of this word "abide." He uses the term "meno" several times in his writings. Underlying the meaning of this term is to remain, continue, not depart and is inseparable from believing. Negatively this is seen in chapter five of John’s gospel: "And you
do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent" (John 5:38). Positively, it occurs in this sense of believing in chapter six: "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him". "He who
believes" in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:
"Everyone who sees the Son and
believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will
raise him up at the last day" (v40).
"Whoever
eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" (v54).
1 John 4:15 - Whoever
confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God
abides in him, and he in God. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Son of God (even the devils believe that), or some lip service confession by an unbeliever, but is a deep personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.