Do all Suicides go to hell?

Elijah19 · Oct 11, 2014

I have heard that some Christians believe that all people who commit suicide go to hell, and that other Christians believe that if you are saved and commit suicide you will still go to heaven. Those who say that all suicides go to hell point out that after you die as a suicide, you can't repent and will therefore be damned for the sin of murdering yourself. Those who say that Christian suicides still go to heaven point out that Jesus' sacrifice covers all sins, even those we will commit in the future or those unknown to us. I want an honest answer backed up by Scripture and logic. Do Christian suicides go to hell?As a side note, I am not writing this question because I am contemplating suicide or anything. I just want a right answer. Also, if suicide is an unforgivable sin, than why did Jesus say that the only unforgivable sin was "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29)."---Elijah19

jsr1221 · Oct 11, 2014

Honestly, no one knows. You're going to have people from both sides start debating and arguing. I know you said you aren't thinking about it. But I think everyone can agree it's not the answer and we should try our best to help those that are thinking about it. Only God knows if a person goes to Heaven or not.

TheClimaxWarrior · Oct 11, 2014

I personally wouldn't commit suicide. I'm mentally healthy, at least I think I am. But to the unbelievers I'm quite insane. When I'm actually sane in an insane world.

I'm not going to risk committing suicide and then waken up knowing I am going to Hell because I'm a cop out. One should never cheat death by taking their own life. When the LORD our GOD already died for us.

Skinski7 · Oct 11, 2014

Elijah19 said:

If one disconnects the death of the old man in repentance from justification then one can easily argue in favour of being able to commit any sin, including self murder, and enter the kingdom.

The question one ought to ask though is, is the death of the old man a necessary requirement that one may enter the kingdom of heaven?

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

ThomistColin · Oct 11, 2014

We believe that in order to commit a mortal sin (that sin which by choice and definition separates you from God) three criteria must be met. First, it must concern grave matter. To kill another is grave matter. Second, you must commit the act. Third, you must be of full cognizance. The first and second criteria are met when it comes to suicide. However, the third criteria is possibly not met. One may not be of sound mind, meaning in the throws of an anxiety/panic attack or be so mentally disturbed (either through narcotics or just mental illness). Also, though this is a rare case, one may be demonically oppressed or possessed. So, in those cases, one may not go to Hell for eternity.

Also, if possible, the person may repent. Many botched suicides by hanging never try to commit suicide again, the act being traumatizing to the person. This may mean that in the final moments, a person may cry out to God to forgive them. Their sin is immediately forgiven, though the act may come to destroy their body, it does not damn them to Hell.

Therefore, we can never be absolutely sure whether a suicide is damning or not.

MrMike85 · Oct 11, 2014

if anyone feels like crying out from this message, please seek Jesus with all your heart

JesusLives · Oct 11, 2014

I know at one point I thought all suicides would go to hell. But when I was 40 I did attempt suicide and was Baker Acted into a mental hospital for several days taken there by the police.

I remember reading an article in a magazine while waiting in a doctors office about depression and I said to myself I think I am depressed and mentioned something to the doctor about it and was pretty much put on ignore.

I was pre-menopausal and hormones out of whack, had a teenage daughter that hated me because of a live in boyfriend, work was a mess, with three different bosses pulling me in all kinds of directions, they had moved my work location three different times so computer would be on one desk and phone on another and it was driving me crazy trying to get anything done at work plus not knowing who to prioritize for boss wise. A player for a boyfriend and not connected with God at all. My life at that time was just overwhelming and I was mentally broken.

I became robotic going through the motions but was mentally unstable and I thought nobody cared and I just gave up and did not want to live anymore. I started getting ready to die and putting all my ducks in a row. Finishing projects at work, cleaning up the house, giving things away and then I picked a date to die and started taking pills and drinking booze to chase them down.

About a third of the way into my plan a girlfriend called me on the phone and I answered. She was angry that her son was out with my boyfriend and wanted to know when they would be back and I was at this point loose lipped enough for her to realize something was not quite right with me and she asked me what was going on and I said I'm done. What do you mean by that? I said just what I said. She then said she would call the cops and I said fine I won't be here when you get here.

Later the same girlfriend would tell me how one of the cops had said I really wasn't trying to commit suicide because if I had been I wouldn't have called her....She told them I did not call her but that she had called me and that this was a real attempt plus a note had been left by me explaining why I did it and saying I was sorry for any pain I had caused.

Long story short my friend was true to her word and I ended up riding in the back seat of a police car to the hospital first where they debated on pumping my stomach and then onto the physic hospital arriving around 4 AM. The next day when I woke up I just sat on the floor of the room I was in and cried as I could not believe how mechanical I'd become and that I had actually attempted suicide.

Then I was afraid of myself because those thoughts don't leave you right away and continued to plague me for awhile. I cried non-stop for awhile and was afraid to be alone for fear I might try again. Was put on medication Zoloft for about 18 months and many visits to doctors. My nerves were shot and my hands would shake so bad....It was just horrible and I was a very broken person.

I came away from the situation not so sure if one would loose their salvation and that I would no longer judge anyone who had mental health issues ever again. I am glad that God is the judge on these situations and that God prompted my girlfriend to make that call to me that night because she/God saved my life. It has been 20 years since that attempt and I thank God that He saved me and gave me a second chance at life. I pray that I have not wasted it and the years of life I have lived since that horrible night 20 years ago.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I know that God is a loving an just God and will decide each case justly and rightly.

MadParrotWoman · Oct 11, 2014

I personally don't believe that the God of love would cast a Christian into Hell for being mentally unstable - the state of mind one is in before the act of suicide.

MadParrotWoman · Oct 11, 2014

JesusLives said:

I know at one point I thought all suicides would go to hell. But when I was 40 I did attempt suicide and was Baker Acted into a mental hospital for several days taken there by the police.

I remember reading an article in a magazine while waiting in a doctors office about depression and I said to myself I think I am depressed and mentioned something to the doctor about it and was pretty much put on ignore.

I was pre-menopausal and hormones out of whack, had a teenage daughter that hated me because of a live in boyfriend, work was a mess, with three different bosses pulling me in all kinds of directions, they had moved my work location three different times so computer would be on one desk and phone on another and it was driving me crazy trying to get anything done at work plus not knowing who to prioritize for boss wise. A player for a boyfriend and not connected with God at all. My life at that time was just overwhelming and I was mentally broken.

I became robotic going through the motions but was mentally unstable and I thought nobody cared and I just gave up and did not want to live anymore. I started getting ready to die and putting all my ducks in a row. Finishing projects at work, cleaning up the house, giving things away and then I picked a date to die and started taking pills and drinking booze to chase them down.

About a third of the way into my plan a girlfriend called me on the phone and I answered. She was angry that her son was out with my boyfriend and wanted to know when they would be back and I was at this point loose lipped enough for her to realize something was not quite right with me and she asked me what was going on and I said I'm done. What do you mean by that? I said just what I said. She then said she would call the cops and I said fine I won't be here when you get here.

Later the same girlfriend would tell me how one of the cops had said I really wasn't trying to commit suicide because if I had been I wouldn't have called her....She told them I did not call her but that she had called me and that this was a real attempt plus a note had been left by me explaining why I did it and saying I was sorry for any pain I had caused.

Long story short my friend was true to her word and I ended up riding in the back seat of a police car to the hospital first where they debated on pumping my stomach and then onto the physic hospital arriving around 4 AM. The next day when I woke up I just sat on the floor of the room I was in and cried as I could not believe how mechanical I'd become and that I had actually attempted suicide.

Then I was afraid of myself because those thoughts don't leave you right away and continued to plague me for awhile. I cried non-stop for awhile and was afraid to be alone for fear I might try again. Was put on medication Zoloft for about 18 months and many visits to doctors. My nerves were shot and my hands would shake so bad....It was just horrible and I was a very broken person.

I came away from the situation not so sure if one would loose their salvation and that I would no longer judge anyone who had mental health issues ever again. I am glad that God is the judge on these situations and that God prompted my girlfriend to make that call to me that night because she/God saved my life. It has been 20 years since that attempt and I thank God that He saved me and gave me a second chance at life. I pray that I have not wasted it and the years of life I have lived since that horrible night 20 years ago.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I know that God is a loving an just God and will decide each case justly and rightly.

Oh my I'm so sorry you went through this! Life can be so tough but as Christians we have a Father in Heaven who bats for our side. I look back - and I'm sure you do too JesusLives and we have to wonder how on earth we managed all those years without Him!

Brother_Don · Oct 11, 2014

It's a hard question to answer. if one say's no, then one seeing might think of a loved one that did it, not having Salvation. If yes, then one seeing, might think its ok to go do it then. The way i feel is, we don't know the last thought going thru a persons mind. Iit could be asking Jesus forgiveness. If the Almighty Creator wants us to be in the flesh, we will survive one way, or another.

wwjd_kilden · Oct 11, 2014

one could just as easily say "if you *insert any sin* and then die before repenting, would one go to hell?"
If so, very few indeed could go to heaven

So no, I don't think suicide equals hell, but I do think the devil has a lot to do with it, as it, for a christian, has to mean one is no longer able to trust God. However, telling people they will go to hell for doing it, is hardly the right way to keep them from it.

oldernotwiser · Oct 11, 2014

i suspect that there fewer people in hell than some here expect. as far as my own answer to this question: i have no idea, it's a management decision and i'm labor.

Kaycie · Oct 11, 2014

It is the same as in our courts today- if you are found legally sane you are guilty of murder- only the judge is God and He knows all the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Someone can murder themselves, and murders will not enter heaven. But is it possible that someone killed themselves due to a mental illness and are completely innocent? That is for God to judge. But basically speaking, yes, I believe that if you murder anyone including yourself, or if you HATE your brother in Christ, and you die without this sin being covered by Christ' blood, that you will go to hell. You did not create you, only God has the right to take human life.

4enlightment · Oct 11, 2014

Elijah19 said:

It will be for God to decide.. Like if a gay person has killed himself because a christian had told them that they are damn. And so the gay person unable to change, because of them being so weak, and so the gay person decide to kill themselves because they are damn anyway, and so committing suicide isn't going to hurt. The when they stand before God, God will say to them,"why did you have done such a thing?", and the gay person reply back by saying, "that judge that standing over there had told me that I was damn for life". and God will reply back to them, " I didn't know that there were another judge beside Me." And so how the way God perform judgment on Adam and Eve, and that is how He is going to judge those that aren't exempt.

Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

Acts 23:35 he said, “I will hear your case when your accusers get here.” Then he ordered that Paul be kept under guard in Herod’s palace.

TheClimaxWarrior · Oct 11, 2014

So the moral of the story is...the gay man has gone to Hell.

The End

Elijah19 · Oct 11, 2014

Where, for the love of all sanity, did the gay-guy-post-idea come from anyway? Seriously, where did that come from?! This has nothing to do with anything... Srsly...

4enlightment · Oct 11, 2014

Elijah19 said:

Researchers have found that attempted suicide rates and suicidal ideation among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning (LGBTQQ) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] According to some groups, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalised homophobia in some cases, including the use of rights and protections for LGBT people as a political wedge issue like in the contemporary efforts to halt legalising same-sex marriages.[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have both been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against gay people are passed.[SUP][12][/SUP]
Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender.[SUP][13][/SUP] Since a series of suicides in the early 2000s, more attention has been focused on the issues and underlying causes in an effort to reduce suicides among LGBTQ youth. The Family Acceptance Project's research has demonstrated that "parental acceptance, and even neutrality, with regard to a child's sexual orientation" can bring down the attempted suicide rate. Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About 15 percent of all Africans who made the voyage died, most from the accumulation of brutal treatment and inadequate care from the time of their enslavement in the interior of Africa. Others suffocated in the tightly packed holds, while some committed suicide, refused to eat, or revolted. http://encyclopediavirginia.org/Slave_Ships_and_the_Middle_Passage

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai/emancipation/text2/suicide.pdf

Exodus 1:11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites

The release also says, "The number of same-sex couples in the U.S. has quadrupled since 1990." Actually, the number has "quintupled" (145,000 to 780,000). That's minor. More important is that the language of the release implies that this is now the actual number of gay couples in the U.S. http://igfculturewatch.com/2007/12/02/a-gay-population-explosion/

Suicide isn't right, but if there's a suicidal victim, there's an oppressor. God want His children to be blameless.

ThomistColin · Oct 11, 2014

Too often we become the oppressors.

Angela53510 · Oct 12, 2014

I work with the mentally ill, especially those with bipolar disorder. This. is a disease of the brain! Many of these people try to kill themselves at one point or another, during the depressive cycle, when Serotonin, norepinephrine and other neurotransmitters are low!

I was on-line with a friend a few weeks ago, who was in terrible pain because of many auto-immune diseases, and tired of the pain. I was up till 2 am, talking her out of suicide, and she is a strong Christian.

The causes of suicide are many. God knows the hearts of people, he understands a short supply of the right brain chemicals in those with a disease, pain, or circumstances that have overwhelmed them!

I think there is only one sin that sends a person to hell, and that is not accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Perhaps instead of judging and condemning those who are mentally ill and try to commit suicide, we need to be part of the solution. That solution is presenting the claims of Christ, ending the stigma of mental illness, and going the extra mile with those who are hurting and broken. God has given us the ministry of reconciliation, what are we going to do with it?

"All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation." 2 Cor. 5:18-19

Shineyday · Oct 12, 2014

I believe committing suicidal is out of demonic oppression, it's def not a Gods plan for our lives. He wants to love on us, bless us and use us for this broken world. Yet often times we r put in condition that we cannot handle, if we can turn to god and let him solve the problem- that's great. But sometimes we just don't see solutions, and we r too weak. Yet we make choices. I believe the person who is a believer yet commits suicide goes to heaven, although for sure it's not the will of God for someone to end their life before He provides solutions. The Bible doesn't talk about it, each case is different and God sees and knows more.

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