The "Impossible" Gospel

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WomanLovesTX

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The following is from a book by Professor WA Liebenberg titled There is only "one" covenant, and Christians have grossly missed it.

There is a Gospel, the "true Gospel" that is unbreakable and unchangeable: this is YHWH's Gospel, and it is cast in concrete. And then there is the gospel that the majority of Christianity believes in. This is what I'd like to call, "The Impossible Gospel". The following three reasons will explain why:

1) Reason NO. 1: You cannot add or take away from the Torah:

Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
The first point implies that Y'shua and all the apostles would've been bound by this law. They could not add to nor take away from the Torah.

2) Reason NO. 2: You must test it to see if it is the truth, and cannot lead you astray or into rebellion:

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Point number two explains to us clearly that if a person, Pastor, Prophet, or Teacher leads the nation astray (away from YHWH's ways), the prophet has to be stoned and is classifed as a false Prophet or Teacher.

So what is "The Way" - meaning the only "correct way"? Again Scripture (YHWH's own words) gives us the defining answer, not man's opinion:

Pro 6:23 For the commandment (Torah) is a lamp; and the law (Torah) is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
YHWH's Torah is not the way of death, but the way of LIFE! Torah is designed to improve, bless, protect and to enhance life significantly - wow! Ultimately, Torah is YHWH's instructions in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16)

That means you must test every single thing against the Torah: the Torah is the only measuring stick that can and should be used for correct doctrine. Any teaching, saying, preaching, even an interpretation of scripture contradicting the Torah, is false. This obviously makes the one teaching it a false prophet (proved above) and liar (proven later, and that is YHWH's standard.

3) Reason No. 3: YHWH and Y'shua cannot change. (Malachi 3:6 and Heb 13:8)

Let's ask the question, "Is YHWH random and changes things without informing His followers, us?" also "Can Elohim do anything without letter the Prophets know: i.e., that His Son will do away with the Law?"

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
No, He cannot. YHWH clearly tells us He will do nothing unless He reveals and declares it to His Prophets. If YHWH wanted His Son to die so that we can now eat pork, surely He would have made it known and distinctly told us as much. No, there is not one single verse that says the Torah would be done away with - not one single prophesy. The problem is man's grossly incorrect interpretation of the Word that steers Christians away from the Torah! And these incorrect interpretations stem from a lack of knowledge of Torah.

Pointnumber 3 proves to us that something was planned, and not part of a misinterpretation. If YHWH prophesies that something will happen, then we know that it must happen. However, if it is not prophesied, then we must also know that it will not happen.

As a Christian, please answer these questions: "Is Y'shua without Sin?" Is it at all possible that Y'shua could sin? The answer is obvious that Y'shua is sinless and cannot sin at all, not even in the smallest matter. Now follow this argument to see where Christianity is flawed concerning the Torah:

Mat 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
Mat 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
Mat 26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
So here we clearly see, they could not find anything Y'shua did, wrong. Y'shua was terefore without sin; so much so that they had to call in false witnesses to condemn Him. Remember, their country's laws were Torah. They judged Y'shua based on the Torah, as they have always done. Surely if He taught rebellion against the Torah of YHWH, they wouldn't need to call in false witnesses!

For a moment, let's get back to the question, "What is sin?" We saw clearly from Scripture that "sin is the transgression of the law". Meaning, we can all agree that Y'shua did not transgress the Law.

By reasoning and intellectual comprehension, it is clear that Y'shua then never broke any one of the Commandments of the Law. That means He guarded every single Commandment of the Law! Let us give you an example:

Y'shua was before Caiaphas and He did not want to speak. (Matt 26:61-64). Caiaphas commanded Him: "I adjure you to speak!" All of a sudden Y'shua began to speak, why?

Matthew tells us how Caiaphas put Y'shua on solemn oath, and used the oath of testimony saying:

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Such an adjuration was understood to render an answer legally necessary, despite the fact that it was illegal to do this trial for life. By Law Y'shua had to reply:

Lev 5:1 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
In this case, silence would have been by itself an admission of guilt. Another fact is if Y'shua did not speak here, He would have broken a Law which then in turn would have made Him a sinner.

Summary of "The Impossible Gospel"

The foundation of the impossible Gospel is as follows:

1) Was the Torah changed?
a) You cannot CHANGE the Law (Torah)
b) If somebody changes it, that person must be stoned.
c) It must be revealed first by a Prophet, such as in the Old Covenant before YHWH can change it, and Y'shua the Prophet did not change it.

2) Can Y'shua teach that the Torah is no longer applicable? YHWH says the Torah is FOREVER, and forever means FOREVER.
a) If He did, He would've been stoned.
b) It would not have been "false witnesses" that condemned Y'shua, but true witnesses.

3) It was NEVER revealed that the Torah would come to an end: in fact, we see the complete opposite.
a) Jeremiah chapter 31 talks about a New (renewed) Covenant that will be made, but the New Covenant includes the Law: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

b) Ezekiel 38 and 39 deals with the Battle of Gog and Magog as well as with the Battle of Armageddon at the end of the Tribulation Period. Chapters 40-48 deal distinctly with the "Olam Haba" (the Millennial Reign of Y'shua) - the Thousand Years of Peace. Ezekiel in chapters 40-48 gives great detail how Y'shua will then reign in His Kingdom on earth. In these chapters, we see Temple sacrifices being restored (for celebrations and food for the Priests), Levites and Cohanim (Priests) resuming their responsibilitites in the Rebuilt Temple, everything only according to the Torah. If the Law was been done away with, why would YHWH restore it again? No, the Law has never been done away with. Christians have been blinded by Satan from YHWH's very truths.

CONCLUSION

The basis of the "Impossible Gospel" is: "if Y'shua taught against the Torah, then He would have been disqualified as the Messiah and would've been a false messiah". The majority of Christianity believes in a messiah that cannot possibly exist. It's a messiah that broke the law, by changing it, while it was not prophesied to happen. It is a messiah that was a sinner, since he broke the Torah.

So, we either accept both the Torah AND the Messiah, or reject both the Torah AND the Messiah.

Y'shua could not teach against Torah; the same goes for ANY other Scripture author, period.
 

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Get a life! Literally!
Well, there is definitely no life in the Law.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
(2Co 3:7-8)

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
(1Co 15:56)
 
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I've already got THE Life, thank you.
And abundantly we must add as found in Jesus who satisfied the Torah and the Heavenly Father for the sake of humanity which cannot possibly hope to keep the law to the (enth) degree which is what it would take.....!
 
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The Gospel

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the LIGHT OF LIFE. John 8:12

As long as I am in the world, I am the LIGHT of the world. John 9:5

I am come A LIGHT INTO THE WORLD, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. John 12:46

Jesus saith unto him, I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
 
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I think this is sort of beating a dead horse. The church today has decided what the Torah is, and what they see is different rom the Torah that scripture speaks of, so no one can hear.

When the church hears that word, their mind is so estranged from the God who created us and gave us Christ that they equate it with the kind of written laws secular governments put out. They can not communicate with the Torah any more, for the Torah was written by a God who is love. Every word of it must be understood from coming from love. So man today says that Torah speaking of stoning can't be of love. Torah telling Joshua to kill can't be of love. It is impossible for man today to know anything of the Torah, man has been blinded.
 
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And abundantly we must add as found in Jesus who satisfied the Torah and the Heavenly Father for the sake of humanity which cannot possibly hope to keep the law to the (enth) degree which is what it would take.....!
So being Jesus was included in the Torah and told of in the Torah, we must eliminate the Torah? This "law" you say the Torah consists of is summed up in the words of scripture "you can't keep it"? When we are told that and also told that we must keep law in the same scripture, have you ever thought about how both can be the same message from the same God? How about using keeping it as a way to salvation instead of using Christ for salvation, don't you think that is something we need to know and does not conflict with the message to keep it?

I so wish the church would sit humbly before the Lord and just listen to scripture without all this deciding for themselves what it says!! God is superior.
 
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So being Jesus was included in the Torah and told of in the Torah, we must eliminate the Torah? This "law" you say the Torah consists of is summed up in the words of scripture "you can't keep it"? When we are told that and also told that we must keep law in the same scripture, have you ever thought about how both can be the same message from the same God? How about using keeping it as a way to salvation instead of using Christ for salvation, don't you think that is something we need to know and does not conflict with the message to keep it?

I so wish the church would sit humbly before the Lord and just listen to scripture without all this deciding for themselves what it says!! God is superior.
What you fail to understand is that there has been only ONE MAN to KEEP the word of God to the extent that he was blameless before God, that being Jesus...You also fail to understand that NOT ONE MAN can KEEP THE LAW to the fullest extent and that it took a BETTER covenant to secure SALVATION and JUSTIFICATION before GOD...I could easily say to people like you who PUSH the LAW and GRACE....WOULD TO GOD you would open your eyes and fully UNDERSTAND the COMPLETED WORK of CHRIST and what it has accomplished for mankind under the banner of grace and faith!

And to answer your question....BY THE KEEPING OF THE LAW THERE SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN! THERE IS NO LAW TO BE KEPT THAT WILL GAIN ETERNAL LIFE AND OR JUSTIFICATION as it is a FREE GIFT through GRACE and is based upon faith which is a spiritual GIFT!
 
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So being Jesus was included in the Torah and told of in the Torah, we must eliminate the Torah? This "law" you say the Torah consists of is summed up in the words of scripture "you can't keep it"? When we are told that and also told that we must keep law in the same scripture, have you ever thought about how both can be the same message from the same God? How about using keeping it as a way to salvation instead of using Christ for salvation, don't you think that is something we need to know and does not conflict with the message to keep it?

I so wish the church would sit humbly before the Lord and just listen to scripture without all this deciding for themselves what it says!! God is superior.
Jesus words are pretty clear in Mt 22:37-40.
 
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What you fail to understand is that there has been only ONE MAN to KEEP the word of God to the extent that he was blameless before God, that being Jesus...You also fail to understand that NOT ONE MAN can KEEP THE LAW to the fullest extent and that it took a BETTER covenant to secure SALVATION and JUSTIFICATION before GOD...I could easily say to people like you who PUSH the LAW and GRACE....WOULD TO GOD you would open your eyes and fully UNDERSTAND the COMPLETED WORK of CHRIST and what it has accomplished for mankind under the banner of grace and faith!

And to answer your question....BY THE KEEPING OF THE LAW THERE SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN! THERE IS NO LAW TO BE KEPT THAT WILL GAIN ETERNAL LIFE AND OR JUSTIFICATION as it is a FREE GIFT through GRACE and is based upon faith which is a spiritual GIFT!
So when I speak of scripture if it is in the Torah, it becomes people like me pushing law and grace. And fail to understand.

Whatever is in your mind about what the Torah is? The Torah says the first "law" as you put it, is to love the Lord with all your heart. Surely you aren't against that?
 
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So when I speak of scripture if it is in the Torah, it becomes people like me pushing law and grace. And fail to understand.

Whatever is in your mind about what the Torah is? The Torah says the first "law" as you put it, is to love the Lord with all your heart. Surely you aren't against that?
that is Law. :)
 
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So when I speak of scripture if it is in the Torah, it becomes people like me pushing law and grace. And fail to understand.

Whatever is in your mind about what the Torah is? The Torah says the first "law" as you put it, is to love the Lord with all your heart. Surely you aren't against that?
Not against that at all, but NO man can do it without JESUS and the INDWELLING Holy SPIRIT.....Christ fulfills the law in US and it is JESUS that does the works as we are to be a Living sacrifice.....I.E. God dia us.....MY point is this.....anything, everything that we can be according to the word of God is based UPON JESUS in us and through us and that is why ALL GLORY goes to God....I myself cannot keep the law...no one can....but by being a believer, having been BORN of the SPIRIT and being LED by that SPIRIT which is in deed willing, I can submit unto the word and not only LOVE GOD, but also LOVE my neighbor as well.

Let this mind be in you...THE MIND OF JESUS
BE transformed by the renewing of the MIND
Let Christ DWELL IN YOU
IF the SPIRIT of HIM that raised up Jesus DWELL IN YOU

It is God that does the work and not we ourselves.....and that salvation that leads to the above abilities is based upon the PERFECT FAITH of JESUS (GALATIANS) and has NOTHING at all with keeping the law....
 
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Not against that at all, but NO man can do it without JESUS and the INDWELLING Holy SPIRIT.....Christ fulfills the law in US and it is JESUS that does the works as we are to be a Living sacrifice.....I.E. God dia us.....MY point is this.....anything, everything that we can be according to the word of God is based UPON JESUS in us and through us and that is why ALL GLORY goes to God....I myself cannot keep the law...no one can....but by being a believer, having been BORN of the SPIRIT and being LED by that SPIRIT which is in deed willing, I can submit unto the word and not only LOVE GOD, but also LOVE my neighbor as well.

Let this mind be in you...THE MIND OF JESUS
BE transformed by the renewing of the MIND
Let Christ DWELL IN YOU
IF the SPIRIT of HIM that raised up Jesus DWELL IN YOU

It is God that does the work and not we ourselves.....and that salvation that leads to the above abilities is based upon the PERFECT FAITH of JESUS (GALATIANS) and has NOTHING at all with keeping the law....
That is what it says in the Torah.
 
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So when I speak of scripture if it is in the Torah, it becomes people like me pushing law and grace. And fail to understand.

Whatever is in your mind about what the Torah is? The Torah says the first "law" as you put it, is to love the Lord with all your heart. Surely you aren't against that?
Jesus kept that Law, yet was hounded and punished over how He kept it. He procalimed that not one jot ot tittle of that law would diminish. It remains to this day, in fact. But Jesus introduced a far better covenant, fresh from God the Father! Jesus didn't take one thing from the Law away, or add to it. He simply introduced a whole new offer from God. The two offers run side-by-side, the old one being abolished on the cross, but yet in full force for the sinners of the world. They are still under the old covenant, agree or not, until deemed no longer sinners. Law breakers are under the old law!

The old covenant offered mercy by way of obedience to the strict law, all of it. In reality nobody coud accomplish that, so salvation was always put off another year. Blood of animals filled the gap per agreement of God. But once the blood of Jesus was shed, no animal bllod would do, and all God's focus went upon Jesus' blood. The Law remains there, but has no direct effect upon those trusting in Jesus' blood instead of that of animal blood.

I want to say this, which agrees with scriptures, that in CHRIST I LOVE the LAW. I have no disagreement with it. I am in Christ such that I will not fear the Law. It has no power over me. It is now clearly my schoolmaster teaching me what sin is. I appreciate that! It makes me all the more appreciate the grace of God unto affording to me the message of the gospel of Christ. Besides that God afforded me enough faith to believe that message unto salvation His way! It has all been by the goodness of God, that goodness being a manifestation of the pure glory of God. God is so good. GOOD! He is all GOOD. No evil in Him.
 

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How about using keeping it as a way to salvation instead of using Christ for salvation, don't you think that is something we need to know and does not conflict with the message to keep it?
Not Recommended.
Besides, the law did not die for our law breaking...no mercy under the law.
 

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Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Exo_34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Psa_119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Joh_1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Jn_1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1Jn_2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

1Jn_2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

There is a wicked one and God has told us how to overcome that wicked one. It is through the Word of God that abideth in us. Which this takes us back to Jer. 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Deu_6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Isa_42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.