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Hi Pen

Verses from the Quran should be read with context. You cannot cut, copy and paste whatever you like. I will give you an example below:

Misquoted Verse

But if they turn away, catch them and slaughter them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89)

This verse has been misquoted out of context. Here is the full passage:

4:88-91*Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they forsake the domain of evil in the way of God (from what is forbidden).***** But if they revert to [open] enmity,*seize them and slay them wherever ye find them;**** and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them
The same thing Mr Syed, with the HOLY BIBLE, but only in advance by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
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Syed I am glad you believe Israel has a right to exist,many Muslims do not feel the same way.Thank you for answering my question.
 
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Syed I am glad you believe Israel has a right to exist,many Muslims do not feel the same way.Thank you for answering my question.
Quran says:

*O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

People of Israel have a right to live together as one nation in one place. So do people of Palestine. We have to build an environment of trust and fairness. Those who advocate killing innocent people on both sides are doing are devils job.
 
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I agree with you Syed. Hopefully,for the innocent on both sides,that will happen one day soon.
 
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I love this verse from sermon on the mount.



Giving to the Needy

6*“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.*If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2*“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*3*But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,*4*so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer

5*“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*6*But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father,*who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.*7*And when you pray, do not keep on babbling*like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.*8*Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need*before you ask him.
 
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I love this verse from sermon on the mount.



Giving to the Needy

6*“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.*If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2*“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*3*But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,*4*so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer

5*“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*6*But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father,*who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.*7*And when you pray, do not keep on babbling*like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.*8*Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need*before you ask him.
They are the very spoken words of spirit and life from only LORD JESUS CHRIST, SON of the Living GOD, worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE was sent by GOD as the promised MESSIAH, spoken by the Prophets long before about HIS coming, who brought to us Grace and Truth of forgiveness and acceptance as sons and daughters into GOD's Kingdom here on earth temporarily, until HIS work also through all Christian is done to spread the Good News and Peace.

These verses you have quoted are for the called born again people, once they have repented all of their past known and unknown sins, recorded in Heaven for judgement day and now due to the MESSIAH sent as the Light for this world, is completely forgiven and erased/deleted by GOD. By the will of GOD, they were from above and they are Christian, not only have been born of water, but also have been born of the HOLY SPIRIT.

In full context the New Covenant is given to all born again Christian, to come into the Spiritual knowledge of above of the MESSIAH of GOD's Love, to all washed/sanctified believers in faith and practice them.

You for now stand outside and torn in between both and trying to understand and make peace, just like your prophet in his beginning. You are alive today and you must know that you are welcome to listen and pat attention and come in and be safe for the wrath of GOD to come, to those who did not believe in HIS 'unmerited favor' provision through HIS sent begotten SON, 'the passover lamb that takes away the sins of this world'. HE wants to receive you 'with open arms', when you repent to all of your sins and come to learn from HIM, JESUS, through our and in us the HOLY SPIRIT in performance and witnessing to a lost and divided sinful world, full of deceptive lies, strife and wars, directly or indirectly murdering one another.

The sin of this world will only be one against GOD, in order to condemn them and send them to hell in future, that is not believing in the MESSIAH of the New Covenant, HE has sent to 'take away the sins of this world' and have been already 'accomplished' for them on the Cross that day at 'Golgotha' (the place called 'The Skull'). GOD, worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has already made the New Covenant with HIS new sanctified people, Christian, the promise HE fulfilled for Abraham, that Covenant HE will make through one of Abraham's 'offspring' and not offspring's'. Not Ismael's descendant but only Isaac's and from where all the Prophets Israel were selected to minister onto HIS loved nation until today.

Sorry to proclaim that prophet muhammed is not at all from that promised linage of Isaac and their promises that has been already fulfilled, through 'one', JESUS of Nazareth and HIS Body, Biblical Christian everywhere.
 
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They are the very spoken words of spirit and life from only LORD JESUS CHRIST, SON of the Living GOD, worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE was sent by GOD as the promised MESSIAH, spoken by the Prophets long before about HIS coming, who brought to us Grace and Truth of forgiveness and acceptance as sons and daughters into GOD's Kingdom here on earth temporarily, until HIS work also through all Christian is done to spread the Good News and Peace.

These verses you have quoted are for the called born again people, once they have repented all of their past known and unknown sins, recorded in Heaven for judgement day and now due to the MESSIAH sent as the Light for this world, is completely forgiven and erased/deleted by GOD. By the will of GOD, they were from above and they are Christian, not only have been born of water, but also have been born of the HOLY SPIRIT.

In full context the New Covenant is given to all born again Christian, to come into the Spiritual knowledge of above of the MESSIAH of GOD's Love, to all washed/sanctified believers in faith and practice them.

You for now stand outside and torn in between both and trying to understand and make peace, just like your prophet in his beginning. You are alive today and you must know that you are welcome to listen and pat attention and come in and be safe for the wrath of GOD to come, to those who did not believe in HIS 'unmerited favor' provision through HIS sent begotten SON, 'the passover lamb that takes away the sins of this world'. HE wants to receive you 'with open arms', when you repent to all of your sins and come to learn from HIM, JESUS, through our and in us the HOLY SPIRIT in performance and witnessing to a lost and divided sinful world, full of deceptive lies, strife and wars, directly or indirectly murdering one another.

The sin of this world will only be one against GOD, in order to condemn them and send them to hell in future, that is not believing in the MESSIAH of the New Covenant, HE has sent to 'take away the sins of this world' and have been already 'accomplished' for them on the Cross that day at 'Golgotha' (the place called 'The Skull'). GOD, worshiped by Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has already made the New Covenant with HIS new sanctified people, Christian, the promise HE fulfilled for Abraham, that Covenant HE will make through one of Abraham's 'offspring' and not offspring's'. Not Ismael's descendant but only Isaac's and from where all the Prophets Israel were selected to minister onto HIS loved nation until today.

Sorry to proclaim that prophet muhammed is not at all from that promised linage of Isaac and their promises that has been already fulfilled, through 'one', JESUS of Nazareth and HIS Body, Biblical Christian everywhere.
Who do you pray? God "father" or Jesus peace be upon him.

Are they same or two.

Passage i quoted from sermon on the mount why Jesus peace be upon him is asking to pray to father multiple times. Why not him?
 
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Jesus peace be upon him has repeated father 5 times in the below short passage.

What do you say?

6*“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.*If you do, you will have no reward from your **1** Father in heaven.

2*“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*3*But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,*4*so that your giving may be in secret. Then your **2** Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer

5*“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*6*But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your **3** Father,*who is unseen. Then your **4** Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.*7*And when you pray, do not keep on babbling*like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.*8*Do not be like them, for your **5** Father knows what you need*before you ask him.
 
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Save your soul before it is taken away from you forever.

Praise God "One God" in who hands the plug between our body and our soul is. He has the authority to remove it whenever he likes.

Don't say one.. two... and three gods. Don't follow your own desires and inventions.

Let us come and say that God is one and Prophet Mohammad is his last messenger.

And say that we believe in all the prophets like Mohammad, Jesus, Moses, Noah, Abrahim and many others peace be upon them all and we love them all in equal Measure.
 
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Save your soul before it is taken away from you forever.

Praise God "One God" in who hands the plug between our body and our soul is. He has the authority to remove it whenever he likes.

Don't say one.. two... and three gods. Don't follow your own desires and inventions.

Let us come and say that God is one and Prophet Mohammad is his last messenger.

And say that we believe in all the prophets like Mohammad, Jesus, Moses, Noah, Abrahim and many others peace be upon them all and we love them all in equal Measure.
That is called in the chat world "Christian baiting". The ploy is to insert hints of truth mixed with many lies. Even non-Muslims are posting like that, posing as Muslims, driving Christian chat communities to great distraction. They are teasers, instigators, deceived. We are all better off ignoring such things, as there are far better threads to engage in. Their idea is to wear us down combating mere imaginations. If a Christian isn't engaged in spiritual battle, then they settle for getting us to shadow box.

I am all for a Muslim honestly seeking to understand Christ in us, then helping him. But when they try to divide us over major doctrines of the Church, then you should know to mark them, and avoid them. Islam brainwashes the people they control, most having no choice but to embrace Islam at the point of a literal bloody sword. Most have no rights like we have in the free world. They are victimized. It is vital to them to diminish the deity of Christ because of the statements Jesus uttered, and the Father uttered at his baptism in the Jordan. Jesus identified Himself to the Pharisees as the great "I AM", making Jesus a direct threat to the claimed message of the angel Gabriel to Muhammad. Gabriel will not be found guilty of serving multiple masters. He is on record centuries before Islam began, and is on Jesus' side.
 
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Who do you pray? God "father" or Jesus peace be upon him.

Are they same or two.

Passage i quoted from sermon on the mount why Jesus peace be upon him is asking to pray to father multiple times. Why not him?
If we are parts/members of the body of JESUS the MESSIAH and HE is the Head of Christian, we pray to the 'FATHER who art in Heaven', who is in fact JESUS's FATHER, who HE has shared us with and Helped us to become part of as co-heirs. We pray to the FATHER in JESUS's name.

Since the FATHER GOD is invisible, and so HE had to manifest in the flesh through the chosen servant of GOD for Israel, and finally through a perfect flesh of JESUS, who is submissive and obedience to GOD's Word and will always in physical manifestation representing, so that man can see and believe that GOD Himself is in our midst, as mankind perfectly and truly in GOD's image lived and spoke among mankind of this world to proclaim salvation from the wrath of GOD HIS FATHER in Heaven to come upon all sinners, 'who hates sin'. That is why the MESSIAH to come will be called as 'IMMANUEL', meaning GOD is with us'.

JESUS did not put Himself equal to GOD, for GOD is HIS FATHER. But GOD proclaim even to JESUS's disciples from 'a voice spoke from Heaven' that;

"This is My dearly beloved, who I AM well pleased."

"This is My only begotten, whom I AM well pleased. Listen to everything HE says."
 
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If we are parts/members of the body of JESUS the MESSIAH and HE is the Head of Christian, we pray to the 'FATHER who art in Heaven', who is in fact JESUS's FATHER, who HE has shared us with and Helped us to become part of as co-heirs. We pray to the FATHER in JESUS's name.

Since the FATHER GOD is invisible, and so HE had to manifest in the flesh through the chosen servant of GOD for Israel, and finally through a perfect flesh of JESUS, who is submissive and obedience to GOD's Word and will always in physical manifestation representing, so that man can see and believe that GOD Himself is in our midst, as mankind perfectly and truly in GOD's image lived and spoke among mankind of this world to proclaim salvation from the wrath of GOD HIS FATHER in Heaven to come upon all sinners, 'who hates sin'. That is why the MESSIAH to come will be called as 'IMMANUEL', meaning GOD is with us'.

JESUS did not put Himself equal to GOD, for GOD is HIS FATHER. But GOD proclaim even to JESUS's disciples from 'a voice spoke from Heaven' that;

"This is My dearly beloved, who I AM well pleased."

"This is My only begotten, whom I AM well pleased. Listen to everything HE says."
No one can go to the FATHER, except unless through the SON of the FATHER, who was sent to make peace with all sinners, as 'God in the flesh' ministering to the people. That is why JESUS said;

"I AM the Way, the truth and the life, and no goes to the FATHER, unless by Me."

So, who GOD made God over us all?

The name and teachings of JESUS as Head to honor in the church of Christian and also JESUS as the Head to honor for Salvation, given through His Sacrifice on the Cross, for the remission of all sins, to all mankind to honor in thankfulness, in order to be accepted as sons and daughters into GOD's Kingdom, and further continue through Him and His Teachings according to the New Covenant.
 
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It mentions both Mary and Jesus. Says He was a "prophet".....teaches prophets cannot lie. Says to believe in the "injil" = Gospels.....yet, it teaches He WAS NOT the Son of God. So either Jesus was a liar, the Qu'ran is hogwash, or Jesus is exactly who He says He is! The truth, the way, and the life.

I READ ENOUGH OF THE QU'RAN TO KNOW MUHAMMED GOT HIS "REVELATION" FROM A DEMON/AND OR SATAN HIMSELF.....who is able to masquarade as an ANGEL of light!
 
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Save your soul before it is taken away from you forever.

Praise God "One God" in who hands the plug between our body and our soul is. He has the authority to remove it whenever he likes.

Don't say one.. two... and three gods. Don't follow your own desires and inventions.

Let us come and say that God is one and Prophet Mohammad is his last messenger.

And say that we believe in all the prophets like Mohammad, Jesus, Moses, Noah, Abrahim and many others peace be upon them all and we love them all in equal Measure.
Syed, unless you believe that Yeshua was the Messiah we will always be split in our believes. Jesus was not only a prophet but He is the great I am. He is the son of YHWH Elohim and he died on the cross and was raised again after three days. Mohammed in my eyes is a veiled prophet taking billions of people to hell with him.

Allah is not YHWH and that is a fact. Allah is just another idol man made god and will never ever be the same as YHWH. The Israelites were making a golden calve and they said that the calf was YHWH. They were punished for their transgression, and so will every person here on earth bowing to idols.

To compromise and mix the seed is just another excuse and we as Christians should not be willing to compromise as the Muslims are not willing to compromise.
 
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005:116]* And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

[005:117]* "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
 
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005:116]* And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

[005:117]* "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
You are quoting me the koran. I can quote passages from Ra’s Bible and it will have the same effect on me. Nothing…
 
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Quran says:

*O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

People of Israel have a right to live together as one nation in one place. So do people of Palestine. We have to build an environment of trust and fairness. Those who advocate killing innocent people on both sides are doing are devils job.
The problem with that is it doesn't match what Islam says about WHERE Israel has a right to live. It isn't the Muslim intention for them to occupy the land now occupied. It's easy, and misleading, to say they have a right to live together in one place.

Admit that Israel has a right to present boundaries and eventually all the land of Solomon. The Palestinians (Canaanites) can't tolerate Israel as a neighbor anywhere around any Arab nation. Out of national security protecting themselves from Islamic slaughter they must keep the enemy out.
 
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I am quoting two verses from Noble Quran..


"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

"O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).

Christians love Muslims in Quran.
It's time all of us got on the same page concerning the war from Islam against all humanity.

The Quran identifies "Believers" as confirmed Islamists, and "Hypocrites" are Muslims that have departed from Islam, accepted Jesus as God's Christ, Lord and Savior, sent from God, died, was buried, and rose again defeating hell, death and the grave for His disciples. A third group are all others called "Disbelievers" who have never embraced their god and prophet Muhammad. The Hypocrites are the ones being slaughtered as commanded in sura chapter 4 section 12 "How to Deal with the Hypocrites". Read in English the chapter to understand how serious this is at English Translation of the Holy Quran with Commentary by Maulana Muhammad Ali

The Muslim quoted part of that showing the frequent claim that Christians misquote it. But the violence of those commands is exactly what ISIS/SL/IS is carrying out against Iraqis who forsook Islam and embraced Christianity. They are being slaughtered whenever, wherever found. There is no mercy for "Hypocrites" who turned their back on the Muslim god. We are not misquoting. The sad issue is few Christians know why.

Disbelievers are subject to one or more of three punishments for failure to convert to Islam from whatever religion.
1. Heavy taxation removing the wealth, property, children inducted into their armies.
2. Enslavement, removal of fingers, hands, feet, and various other tortures.
3. Death by beheading in public.

Muslim Believers are commanded to treat each other in many ways like Jesus taught brethren in Christ. That is why they like to present favorite Jesus sermons, disarming Christians, deceiving them to believe the Muslims are very nearly Christian. That leaves Christians thinking there is hope of converting a Muslim Believer into a Muslim Hypocrite through conversion to Christ, joining the misery of Disbelievers since Christians are counted among the Disbelievers.
 
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005:116]* And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

[005:117]* "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
Are you teaching the Living GOD, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, what HE will say, when HE already said through HIS promised MESSIAH, written in the New Covenant?

You are behaving just like your prophet, who oppose angel Gabriel's instructions given to him by CHRIST and against Christian New Covenant believes, in false testimony of satan in disguise and his vessel of deception, proclaiming a new gospel of lies.

In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, i bind you lying spirit, against the Grace and Truth Gospel of LORD JESUS CHRIST and the written New Covenant for all Christian. And the angel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, by HIS will, deal with you.
 
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Study up...

Jesus peace be upon him has repeated father 5 times in the below short passage.

What do you say?

6*“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.*If you do, you will have no reward from your **1** Father in heaven.

2*“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*3*But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,*4*so that your giving may be in secret. Then your **2** Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Prayer

5*“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standingin the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.*6*But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your **3** Father,*who is unseen. Then your **4** Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.*7*And when you pray, do not keep on babbling*like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.*8*Do not be like them, for your **5** Father knows what you need*before you ask him.

Jesus teaches us to pray in The Father's singular name...of which, is the same singular name as the Son and Spirit. (Mat 6.9 - 13)

Can you say Trinity?