The law of Christ

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Ariel82

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YES they are different.

2 Corinthians 3
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.



 
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Ariel82 said:
YES they are different.

2 Corinthians 3
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
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Just out of curiosity, what is being discussed in this passage? The Law? or the ministry of the Law? The administration of the Law through the Holy Spirit which Israel did not have?
 
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Ariel82

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"written and engraved on stones,"

its referring to the ten commandments, because as far as I know the ministry was not engraved in stones.
 
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KohenMatt said:
No. They are the same.

Jesus is God, and therefore He himself gave the Law to Moses to be kept spiritually, and physically where applicable.
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They cannot be the same. "Thou shalt not" can only cone about by transgression of the law of Christ which is love.
 
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Flamingspirit said:
They cannot be the same. "Thou shalt not" can only cone about by transgression of the law of Christ which is love.
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"Thou shalt not" is in reference to staying away from things that prohibit God's way of loving. Murder is certainly not showing love so God says "Thou shalt not" do that. And so on.

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:28

If they were not the same law then Jesus wouldn't have said this. He would have said I have a better way than My Father.
 
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Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:28

that verse is not about the LAW of Moses, so I'm not sure why you keep quoting it.

Yes everything Jesus did He did through God's power and will, but that does not mean that the Law of Moses is the same as the Law of grace given by Christ.

The Law of grace promised to Abraham and his SEED, not seeds.

is NOT the same as the Law of Moses written/ engraved in stone, which refers to the 10 commandments and all the other mosaic laws in the Old Testament.
 
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john832 said:
Jesus Christ is the One who gave the Law, did He make a mistake? Did He come to correct the mistake He made?
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He came to 'correct' (make right) the mistakes (SIN) we made. :)
 
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The Law of Grace is about the shed blood of Christ for the remission of sins. It is about Faith in Him who can save us from our sins. It is about the Holy Spirit leading God's people and teaching them the fruits of the Spirit. It's about the ability to call God Abba, Father.

While the Law of Moses & the Ten commandments were given after the people REJECTED the leadership of God and asked that Moses speak with God for them instead of having a direct relationship with God themselves.

The Law of sin and death is about people trying to keep God's commandments with their own effort and merit.

While the Law of Grace is learning to listen and HEAR God speak through His Word and His Holy Spirit. Learning to follow the Spirit and not just the Letter. Knowing that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.
 
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The Law of Christ talks about how the Church is the Body and we are but members of that body and who we are to work together.

Whereas the Law of Moses focuses on the individual and their sins, dos and don'ts, the Law of Christ focuses on God's peace and His commandment to love others by serving them. The Law of Christ tells us to forgive others and to pray for our enemies. The Law of Moses states to take an eye for an eye, whereas the Law of grace tells us to forgive and offer them our prayers and help.
 
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The law of Christ and the law of the Spirit are one and the same, you can't have one without the other.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:28

that verse is not about the LAW of Moses, so I'm not sure why you keep quoting it.

Yes everything Jesus did He did through God's power and will, but that does not mean that the Law of Moses is the same as the Law of grace given by Christ.

The Law of grace promised to Abraham and his SEED, not seeds.

is NOT the same as the Law of Moses written/ engraved in stone, which refers to the 10 commandments and all the other mosaic laws in the Old Testament.
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So I take it the you beleive the "law of Moses" didn't come from God?
 
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Kerry said:
The law of Christ and the law of the Spirit are one and the same, you can't have one without the other.
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That wasn't the question.

It was about the Law given to Moses,

which you have to determine if those laws were the same as the Law of Christ or the Law of the Spirit.
 
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just-me said:
So I take it the you beleive the "law of Moses" didn't come from God?
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you would take it wrongly, but nice try at erecting a strawman to burn.

The law of Moses was given FROM GOD to a disobedient people who did not want to listen directly to God's Holy Spirit.
 
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Ariel82 said:
The Law of Christ talks about how the Church is the Body and we are but members of that body and who we are to work together.

Whereas the Law of Moses focuses on the individual and their sins, dos and don'ts, the Law of Christ focuses on God's peace and His commandment to love others by serving them. The Law of Christ tells us to forgive others and to pray for our enemies. The Law of Moses states to take an eye for an eye, whereas the Law of grace tells us to forgive and offer them our prayers and help.
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John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I think they work hand in hand according to the Words of Jesus, and the will of God.
 
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Ariel82 said:
you would take it wrongly, but nice try at erecting a strawman to burn.

The law of Moses was given FROM GOD to a disobedient people who did not want to listen directly to God's Holy Spirit.
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So the people are the problem not what God told Moses.
 
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just-me said:
John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I think they work hand in hand according to the Words of Jesus, and the will of God.
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Jesus was referring to the prophecies that Moses wrote of Him, not the laws of sin and death engraved in stone, like the 10 commandments...
 
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Ariel82 said:
That wasn't the question.

It was about the Law given to Moses,

which you have to determine if those laws were the same as the Law of Christ or the Law of the Spirit.
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I read in the Word that there is only One unchanging God that doesn't make mistakes.
 
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just-me said:
John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I think they work hand in hand according to the Words of Jesus, and the will of God.
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Ariel82 said:
Jesus was referring to the prophecies that Moses wrote of Him, not the laws of sin and death engraved in stone, like the 10 commandments...
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Where did Moses prophecy about the coming of the Messiah. That was in the prophets wasn't it?
 
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just-me said:
So the people are the problem not what God told Moses.
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People are still the problem when they attempt to do what Apostles declaimed they should not do by placing the false burden of the Mosaic law upon Gentile believers:

Acts 15
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[SUP]24 [/SUP]Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[SUP][f][/SUP] —to whom we gave no such commandment— [SUP]25 [/SUP]it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, [SUP]26 [/SUP]men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]27 [/SUP]We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: [SUP]29 [/SUP]that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[SUP][g][/SUP] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Jesus was referring to the prophecies that Moses wrote of Him, not the laws of sin and death engraved in stone, like the 10 commandments...
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You need some love gal. Let me give you a little of Moses.
Leviticus 19:17-18
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:5-6
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
 
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