Elect, or Gods chosen people

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I know the Bible talks about the elect. I believe that God would have all that believes in Jesus Christ and repents of their sins that they would be saved. Is there another point of view on this subject?
 
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I know the Bible talks about the elect. I believe that God would have all that believes in Jesus Christ and repents of their sins that they would be saved. Is there another point of view on this subject?
The elect is the church believing Jews and Gentiles
 

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I know the Bible talks about the elect. I believe that God would have all that believes in Jesus Christ and repents of their sins that they would be saved. Is there another point of view on this subject?
tbh im not sure. i mean we have the straight and narrow road and how few will find it, you have how a whole lot of christians claim to belong to christ but lack any kind of love are self righteous judgmental mockers and condemners.... Im not sure it doesnt seem to be in that favor but fingers crossed that your right
 
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So is does that mean everyone then correct? The Jews were Gods chosen people, Gentiles are everyone else right? I just cant see God being partial to anyone who comes to Him in faith believing.
 
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Thanks for your impute. I am still searching on this subject. A vendor of mine at work keeps preaching Elect, Gods chosen ones, everyone else is going straight to hell. I struggle with that from an all loving God.
 
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Abraham chose God, God chose his descendants, that's all there is about the so called chosenness.

Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:7
Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.



 
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Thanks for responding. My friend keeps brining up in Genesis where God says..........."Jacob I loved, Esau I hated" so that gets confusing, unless it is a translation issue with the Old Testament?
 

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Thanks for your impute. I am still searching on this subject. A vendor of mine at work keeps preaching Elect, Gods chosen ones, everyone else is going straight to hell. I struggle with that from an all loving God.
I would very much like to chat with person because it's not his place to say anyone is going to hell, God's created each human being with loving care and is a loving father so I think a loving father would create each person with the intent to have them be with him forever in heaven.

However free will of course is a major factor. I don't think God's chosen people or elect are fully chosen yet or else why would we still be here?
 

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Thanks for responding. My friend keeps brining up in Genesis where God says..........."Jacob I loved, Esau I hated" so that gets confusing, unless it is a translation issue with the Old Testament?
That story is a lesson in how Jacob did everything he could to get the blessing of the birthright and Esau could care less about it as long as he got what he wanted at that moment. Esau gave up his birthright, thinking a bowl of pottage was more value to him, and Jacob valued it so much he stopped at nothing, even resorting to trickery to get it.
 
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I could not agree more! But he sings and leads their church congregation and on top of it, he is an elder in his very strict church, so part of me doubts that he can be wrong, I mean being so spiritual an all.
 
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That story is a lesson in how Jacob did everything he could to get the blessing of the birthright and Esau could care less about it as long as he got what he wanted at that moment. Esau gave up his birthright, thinking a bowl of pottage was more value to him, and Jacob valued it so much he stopped at nothing, even resorting to trickery to get it.
I guess it was written then maybe to show what the heart of each man was about at the end of the day.
 

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I guess it was written then maybe to show what the heart of each man was about at the end of the day.
Yes, Jacob was shifty, but his God loved his heart.
 

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All depends on the context to determine which elect are being referred to...

Sometimes even angels are referred to as elect...

1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
 
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I would very much like to chat with person because it's not his place to say anyone is going to hell, God's created each human being with loving care and is a loving father so I think a loving father would create each person with the intent to have them be with him forever in heaven.

However free will of course is a major factor. I don't think God's chosen people or elect are fully chosen yet or else why would we still be here?
where does it say we are going to heaven ?
 
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I would very much like to chat with person because it's not his place to say anyone is going to hell, God's created each human being with loving care and is a loving father so I think a loving father would create each person with the intent to have them be with him forever in heaven.

However free will of course is a major factor. I don't think God's chosen people or elect are fully chosen yet or else why would we still be here?
1 Peter 2:8,9
But you (believers) are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
 

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1 Peter 2:8,9
But you (believers) are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Of course only believers aka the elect may go to heaven but my point was the elect is not fully chosen yet, so long as we are alive on earth and armaggedon doesnt happen and end there is another soul we can save and thus another elect to bring into his kingdom
 
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Thanks for your impute. I am still searching on this subject. A vendor of mine at work keeps preaching Elect, Gods chosen ones, everyone else is going straight to hell. I struggle with that from an all loving God.
There are large denominations that believe that God has "predestined" some before the foundation of the world to go to hell no matter what they do in regards to Christ and I imagine that your vendor is of that persuasion ... very many are, I'm sorry to say.

Jesus said, "WHOSOEVER come" and that "He's not willing that Any should perish but that all would come".

Though all don't accept His invitation, He has opened His invitation to "whosoever will".

The elect/chosen [same Greek word] are those that God knew from before the foundation of the earth would come.

Speaking of the Jews in this first verse given .... not all that call themselves Jews chose to follow GOD -

Rom 11:1,2 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which He foreknew...

These two apply to both gentile & Jew -


1Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father


Rom 8:29 For whom He did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Wherever that word predestinate is used - it is toward something that will accompany salvation - not predestinated to Heaven or Hell.

Those who He foreknew would come to Him [because He is omniscient] are predestinated to be adopted as sons of God ... and predestinated to receive the inheritance... but those verses from Eph 1 are used to promote the belief that God predestinated some or many to Hell.

This belief is held by those that call themselves of the "Reformed theology" or "Calvinism" also.


This has been the cause of strong debates and I pray that we don't have that here. It never accomplishes anything. I accept my Reformed-belief brothers and sisters as they are and do not try to change their minds and they respect my view and allow me to freely attend their church - and they believe that I'm as saved as they are... even the Pastor & elders.

I believe "whosoever will" may come unto Him and that He died for "all" [though all do not get saved, of their own choosing] and that He's not willing that any should perish but that all would come -- but those of that persuasion - as possibly your vendor is, do not believe that 'whosoever will' may come.

I hope this helps and we can just accept each other's views and each other on this particular topic without my having started a war here. I seen too many wars that have split His Body to shreds and have been an awful witness to those who haven't "come" as yet.
 
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The elect are those God chose to save. They are those who have faith in God.
 
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I know the Bible talks about the elect. I believe that God would have all that believes in Jesus Christ and repents of their sins that they would be saved. Is there another point of view on this subject?
Your're right. God's elect are all those who confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior and therefore have all their sins forgiven, washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. There are no other elect but born again Christians.