Scriptures Cannot be alone... Scripture is clear
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Then you disagree with Christ when He said that He was giving Peter the "keys to the kingdom." Or when Christ said "You are Cephus and on this Cephus I will build my Church." (italics added)
It is not Peter's Church, and it is not Francis' Church, it is Christ's Church. It has always been Christ's Church, it will always be Christ's Church. You see, we don't trust the Pope or the College of Cardinals. We trust the Holy Spirit.
It is not Peter's Church, and it is not Francis' Church, it is Christ's Church. It has always been Christ's Church, it will always be Christ's Church. You see, we don't trust the Pope or the College of Cardinals. We trust the Holy Spirit.
Its not a leap when you look at the OT when the "Keys of the Kingdom" are mentioned. They were the keys to the dungeon and to the treasury. They were only given to the Viceroy who served as herald of the King and "first among equals" among the King's ministers. AND that position passed down from one Viceroy to the next.
So, that sounds like a Pope to me.
So, that sounds like a Pope to me.
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No it's not.
The keys are tied to binding things on Earth and in Heaven.
Matthew 16
This power to bind things in Earth and heaven was given to more than Peter.
Mathew 18
Peters was told that specifically, just like others were told specifically that Jesus loved them.
Being told you have something specifically doesn't mean you're the only one who has it.
The keys are tied to binding things on Earth and in Heaven.
Matthew 16
This power to bind things in Earth and heaven was given to more than Peter.
Mathew 18
Peters was told that specifically, just like others were told specifically that Jesus loved them.
Being told you have something specifically doesn't mean you're the only one who has it.
Catholic use tradition as the bible, because to find a reason to lie to it member.
For example, they said Peter is the first Pope in Rome from ad 32 to ad 67. It is not in the bible and if you read Act 28 at the arrival of Paul in ad 60, seem no Peter there, and Jew still don't quite understand about Christianity, Luke describe the Jew was listen to Paul from morning till evening. If Peter already there for 28 years I don't you think Peter evangelized them?
The letter from Paul to Rome mention about 38 elder and not mention Peter at all.
a. Why Paul write a pastoral letter to Rome if Peter, his boss is a bishop there. I never heard local priest wrote a pastoral Letter to Vatican.
b. If it does, why not greet Peter while he greet 38 elder.
My conclusion Peter is not bishop in Rome.
You can't use the bible to say Peter bishop Rome, that why need another resource to accommodate his lie, to make it look like the truth.
For example, they said Peter is the first Pope in Rome from ad 32 to ad 67. It is not in the bible and if you read Act 28 at the arrival of Paul in ad 60, seem no Peter there, and Jew still don't quite understand about Christianity, Luke describe the Jew was listen to Paul from morning till evening. If Peter already there for 28 years I don't you think Peter evangelized them?
The letter from Paul to Rome mention about 38 elder and not mention Peter at all.
a. Why Paul write a pastoral letter to Rome if Peter, his boss is a bishop there. I never heard local priest wrote a pastoral Letter to Vatican.
b. If it does, why not greet Peter while he greet 38 elder.
My conclusion Peter is not bishop in Rome.
You can't use the bible to say Peter bishop Rome, that why need another resource to accommodate his lie, to make it look like the truth.
If Scripture is not the final standard and arbiter in matters of faith, then what or who is?
The Church? What does she base her authority on if not the Scriptures?
Jesus Christ? Who is to say their 'Jesus' is the true Jesus if he is not the One revealed in Scripture?
Holy Spirit? There are many spirits running around the landscape, on what basis do you test the spirits if not by the Scriptures?
The Church? What does she base her authority on if not the Scriptures?
Jesus Christ? Who is to say their 'Jesus' is the true Jesus if he is not the One revealed in Scripture?
Holy Spirit? There are many spirits running around the landscape, on what basis do you test the spirits if not by the Scriptures?
And yet it is Scripture that say the Church is the pillar of truth. That the Holy Spirit would lead the Church in all truth.
While I deny Sola Scriptura, that does not mean I deny the Scriptures. They are a standard of divine revelation that is tested against, but that is not Sola Scriptura. That's Prima Scriptura.
While I deny Sola Scriptura, that does not mean I deny the Scriptures. They are a standard of divine revelation that is tested against, but that is not Sola Scriptura. That's Prima Scriptura.
Scripture alone does not mean each man sitting alone with the Bible, privately interpreting it as he wills. It means having Scripture as the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. Of course we need good fellowship where sound teaching is taught and where we can submit to such teachers. The protestant reformation cleaned up where the Church had went wrong.
Obviously, I thoroughly disagree with your final statement. However, Scripture First is a correct use, but Scripture alone without divine authority guiding all Christians (which by the way is the Church/Body of Christ) leads into heresy. It also leads to 33,000+ denominations and growing. Most of which would claim the founders of the Protest as heretics.
The statement " the Church is the pillar of truth" is dependent on Scripture. Scripture is the final Word...not the Church, that is, the Church must derive it's 'truths' from Scripture not the other way around. The Holy Spirit will not contradict Scripture as it reveals truth through the Scripture.
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