my study bible and evolution

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Kerry

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Evolution is a lie and has always been a lie and it's more about politics than truth. No one has ever witnessed evolution it is a stinking theory that has been taught as fact which goes against science it self. In Science true science it must be repeatable in a controlled environment. Yet Sciences has never been able to that and use the excuse that it takes billions of years. But at the same time rubies can be made in months in a controlled environment.
 
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This bible did not teach evolution. To quote "It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support". It simply acknowledged another point of view. It neither sided with, or against, the concept of God based evolution. Seems you guys are so amped up on preaching your beliefs you didn't bother to read.
It is an age-old technique for introducing suggestive thoughts into the mind of the reader. While it may seem rather innocuous, the danger exists in its subtlety.

kaitlyn, honey - get you a Bible that does not have any commentary whatsoever -- just the scripture text.

I believe that commentary should be in a separate book -- it does not belong mixed in with scripture text.

I recommend the Authorized King James Version. :D

:)
 
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Tintin

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Evolution is a lie and has always been a lie and it's more about politics than truth. No one has ever witnessed evolution it is a stinking theory that has been taught as fact which goes against science it self. In Science true science it must be repeatable in a controlled environment. Yet Sciences has never been able to that and use the excuse that it takes billions of years. But at the same time rubies can be made in months in a controlled environment.
Politics has little to do with it. Wanting to keep God out of the picture, that's the main reason for Evolution and for it being perpetuated to the masses like it is. The Enemy hates God and uses anything he can get his hands on to kill, steal and destroy. Thankfully God is much greater than the Enemy and his wily ways.
 

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Hi allI recently bought a new bible - teen life applications study bible. As I flipped through the first few pages of genesis they had this box that said 'ultimate issues the origin of humanity' it then went on to talk about evolution and said this


"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support"


I'm really confused, is this bad, is this true??
For me, the name of the bible says it all.

When you see a publisher trying THAT hard to target some very specific modern niche market with a 2,000 year old product that is, by the way, completely non-specific and beyond niches...
man...
there is just a WHOLE LOT of SLICK marketing theory and psychology going on to separate you from your money, lol.

The concept of all these bibles targeted at niche markets by adding a few notes and a clever name...
sorry, but it's just absurd.
Absurd and a bit dirty.

It may have been a sin to publish it, with the pure intention of swindling some teens out of their money...
but it isn't a sin to own it.
So do whatever you want with it.
 
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Tintin

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Maxwel, maybe some Teen Bibles are like that but certainly not all. It's not about fleecing them for money, it's about having a Bible that's relevant to teens. The Bible itself isn't any different, it's the notes that are included - they're relevant to teens. The notes include helpful information about living the Christian faith and important issues like sex before marriage, alcohol and drugs, homosexuality, bullying, peer pressure, identity, purpose, abortion and a myriad of other topics. More adult Bibles just don't speak to teens like these do.
 

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Maxwel, maybe some Teen Bibles are like that but certainly not all. It's not about fleecing them for money, it's about having a Bible that's relevant to teens. The Bible itself isn't any different, it's the notes that are included. They're relevant to teens, about living their Christian faith and important issues like sex before marriage, homosexuality, bullying, peer pressure, identity, purpose, abortion and a myriad of other topics. More adult Bibles just don't speak to teens like these do.
Hey Bro,
I think people often do something with bad intentions, but God still uses that thing to bless his children.
That's what I think happens.

The bible is still the best selling book of all time, and everybody knows that, and it's a big big big money industry.
These niche bible DO NOT exist to help anyone.
It is pure marketing.
It's plain as day... is very very simple, clear, obvious niche marketing... and niche marketing is something you do in an over-saturated market to "slide in" somewhere, and get your share of the cash.
That's all it is.

Anybody in marketing can smell this a mile away.

Love you Bro... but when I see all this slick niche marketing with bibles, I just get ill.

However... I believe God still uses them IN SPITE OF the intentions of the publishers.
God is still sovereign.
 
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HLR

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I would STRONGLY recommend staying away from that Bible. If you're going to keep the Bible, I don't think there's anything wrong with reading it as a comparison to other Bibles. I would probably disregard the commentary altogether though.

As an aside, the original translation I purchased was a NKJV, however, the Church I attended at the time was preaching from the NIV, so I purchased a NIV Study Bible from the same company you're speaking of. I don't have that particular Bible at hand right now, but when I can put my hands on it I will check the notes regarding this in it. -- As an aside, I never read from that Bible much. A couple weeks, something felt wrong, I prayed about it.. and felt led towards the KJV, and there's where most of my reading is done now. I do occasionally use other versions for comparisons, though.
 
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Politics has little to do with it.
Correct.

Wanting to keep God out of the picture, that's the main reason for Evolution and for it being perpetuated to the masses like it is.
Wrong-ish.

Evolution is based off of physical, empirical, evidence. Using God as evidence isn't science since God can't be proven physically and empirically.

The Enemy hates God and uses anything he can get his hands on to kill, steal and destroy.
Wrong again. Evolution isn't based on some sort of hatred for God. In fact, the theory of evolution has literally nothing to do with God. It's not pro-God nor is it anti-God.

Evolution is a lie and has always been a lie
Yet you have never been able to prove evolution is a lie. Nearly every argument you have made has been addressed and you have always failed to rebut those arguments. I understand a person can't always respond to everything someone says about their arguments, but you never address one's counter arguments. If you do, they counter again, and you move on to ignore their counter-argument and post yet another creationist point that's eventually utterly destroyed. And the process rolls on.

No one has ever witnessed evolution
Yes, we have. You refer to it as micro-evolution. Micro-evolution is the exact same thing as macro-evolution except on a much smaller and observable scale. Without micro-evolution, the theory of evolution would be too incomplete to state as being fact.

Furthermore, you don't have to witness macro-evolution to verify it to be true. You can examine nature and draw your conclusions from scientific studies. Obviously, you're going to pretend scientists look at nature and come up with some sort of story about how it worked - but that's not how evolution is verified and you would know this if you stopped assuming evolution to be wrong and look into it without a preconceived bias.

it is a stinking theory that has been taught as fact which goes against science it self.
No Kerry. You have been told time and time again that scientific theory does NOT refer to a hunch or a guess. It refers to a series of statements about the causal elements for observed phenomena. How many times must we correct you?

Seriously, even Creation.com suggests creationists stop using this argument. They argue that you should instead say "Evolution is not a proven fact, therefore it should not be taught dogmatically." Of course, science doesn't consider anything to be 100% fact, so that would also be a non-argument. But at least you would stop using the whole "If evolution is true, why do scientists call it a theory?" bunk.

In Science true science it must be repeatable in a controlled environment. Yet Sciences has never been able to that and use the excuse that it takes billions of years.
In science, you don't always have to duplicate a particular phenomena verbatim because we simply lack the means to do so in many cases. This is why we rely on numerous smaller studies that we can duplicate to determine the things we can't.

For example, we can't duplicate the sun nor can we examine it up close. So how did we figure out what the sun is made of? We use spectroscopy to measure electromagnetic radiation. By using data used to measure elements on earth, we're able to figure out what the sun is made of. This video explains it in fairly simple terms - I think you might be able to understand it if you actually listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLIrM4QXGis

Different elements absorb different types of light - something we can reproduce on Earth. Knowing which wavelengths are absorbed allows us to determine what the sun is made of by examining the light.

This is how evolution works. We perform tests or make observations that can be witnessed today. We figure out how we came to those conclusions, then observe nature and see if we can find similar patterns. How did we figure out how small marine fossils reached to top of certain mountain peaks? Through our current observation of plate tectonics. We have witnessed tectonic plates on earth colliding and forming peaks - which is how we figured out mountains were formed. We've also been able to find marine life in other parts of the world that were above sea level. And before you yell "GREAT FLOOD", we know a great flood didn't happen for numerous reasons. There's a wonderful video detailing these reasons but I doubt you'll even watch the first video I linked. But if you're serious about having a civil conversation, just ask me for the link and I'll dig up the video for you.

It's funny. You don't have to witness the creation of the Earth because the Bible says it was created. But when we see various different patterns in nature that are rigorously tested that results in the confirmation of evolution, you argue "were alive long enough to see it happen?" Talk about double standards!
 

maxwel

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Let me clarify something.

I probably shouldn't have jumped on the motives behind this specific bible, and this specific publisher, without doing any specific research.

That was an error.

However, as a GENERAL RULE, the bible business is BIG BIG BUSINESS, and the majority of these niche bibles are developed just to do slick marketing, and separate you from your money.

But I also believe that even when things are published with wrong intentions, God is still going to use those things for his own purposes, in spite of the intentions of the publisher. Seriously, you could be an atheist printing bibles in your basement just to make a fast buck, but God is still gong to use those Bibles to get people saved.

Alright, I'm all done.
I'll shush now, lol.
: )
 

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Hi allI recently bought a new bible - teen life applications study bible. As I flipped through the first few pages of genesis they had this box that said 'ultimate issues the origin of humanity' it then went on to talk about evolution and said this


"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginninod created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support"


I'm really confused, is this bad, is this true??
Personally I would get a new bible.
I once read a bible like that when I started coming to God. All it did was confuse me.
When you first start reading and studying the bible its best to stay away from anything that confuses you (in a bad way) like this.
I would get one of the bibles that Tintin mentioned.
The best advice I can give you is always seek God for a good bible and seek him before you read. If you don't understand something don't be scared to ask your brotheren for help.
 
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Also, regarding the Bible in the OP:

I don't think there's anything wrong with the use of a Study Bible, and the main Bible I use is a Study Bible. Mainly due to the fact it was the Bible I bought used and wrote many notes and etc. in. However, I've tried very hard to disregard the notes entirely. That's not to say I don't occasionally glance down and read them, but I never put too much stock into the notes. I always pray before reading, and upon reaching a verse I'm having a hard time with I meditate on it, and pray again about that particular verse. The main reason I've tried to steer away from the notes is that they are written by the hand of a human and not inspired by the Holy Spirit. I know that's been said before in this thread, but thought I would put it out there again.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with using a study Bible, and peeking at the notes, but don't put too much stock in them. And allow yourself to interpret and have your own understanding without being completely reliant on the notes found in the Bible.
 
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Hi allI recently bought a new bible - teen life applications study bible. As I flipped through the first few pages of genesis they had this box that said 'ultimate issues the origin of humanity' it then went on to talk about evolution and said this

"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support"

I'm really confused, is this bad, is this true??
Hi Kaitlyn,
Welcome to the Forum.

As I see it there are two options. You can accept an Iron Age cosmological view of the world (the Genesis creation account) or you can accept science. Understand, however, that science makes no pronouncements about God. That is something for you do decide. An Archbishop of the Church of England, presiding about 1900 (sorry, I've forgotten his name) made an interesting remark. "God did something better than make the world, he made the world make itself." The bishop accepted science, and he believed in God. If you wonder how the world can make itself see: Nebular hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You might want to check out the book, The Language of God, by Francis Collins. He is one of the world's leading geneticists. He accepts evolution and calls himself an evangelical Christian. He explains it all in this small book.

Many scientists believe both in God and in science.
 
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Personally I would get a new bible.
I once read a bible like that when I started coming to God. All it did was confuse me.
When you first start reading and studying the bible its best to stay away from anything that confuses you (in a bad way) like this.
I would get one of the bibles that Tintin mentioned.
The best advice I can give you is always seek God for a good bible and seek him before you read.
You are another one who believes prayer will help you understand a book before reading it. Maybe I should pray before reading some of the articles in my Scientific American? I think not. The only way to full comprehension is through intensive study. There are no shortcuts.

Oh, you are also suggesting Kaitlyn not read things that might confuse her? My advise to her is to become well informed. She should never be afraid to examine all available sources, both pro and con. If something seems confusing then there is a reason it is confusing. Sort it out. It is the only way to be sure you haven't missed something important. I am a firm believer that an expansive knowledge will lead to the truth. A person who is afraid to examine everything is most likely frightened of what they might find. Some will only read material that reinforces the beliefs they already hold. That is tantamount to burying one’s head in the sand.

Oh, one of the best Bibles I have come across in The New Oxford Annotated Bible. You want the best study Bible? Here it is:

https://archive.org/stream/the_new_...pha_new_revised_standard_ver#page/n0/mode/2up
 
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You are another one who believes prayer will help you understand a book before reading it. Maybe I should pray before reading some of the articles in my Scientific American? I think not. The only way to full comprehension is through intensive study. There are no shortcuts.

Oh, you are also suggesting Kaitlyn not read things that might confuse her? My advise to her is to become well informed. She should never be afraid to examine all available sources, both pro and con. If something seems confusing then there is a reason it is confusing. Sort it out. It is the only way to be sure you haven't missed something important. I am a firm believer that an expansive knowledge will lead to the truth. A person who is afraid to examine everything is most likely frightened of what they might find. Some will only read material that reinforces the beliefs they already hold. That is tantamount to burying one’s head in the sand.

Oh, one of the best Bibles I have come across in The New Oxford Annotated Bible. You want the best study Bible? Here it is:

https://archive.org/stream/the_new_...pha_new_revised_standard_ver#page/n0/mode/2up

Yes I personally believe praying does open a door for God to help you understand the bible. It is my belief and there is nothing wrong with it.

It's fine to read things that are confusing but if it confuses you to the point were you question your own belief and you don't like the way it makes you feel then there isn't a point to keep reading it.

These are my opinions. She doesn't have to listen to them.
 
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You are another one who believes prayer will help you understand a book before reading it. Maybe I should pray before reading some of the articles in my Scientific American? I think not. The only way to full comprehension is through intensive study. There are no shortcuts.

Oh, you are also suggesting Kaitlyn not read things that might confuse her? My advise to her is to become well informed. She should never be afraid to examine all available sources, both pro and con. If something seems confusing then there is a reason it is confusing. Sort it out. It is the only way to be sure you haven't missed something important. I am a firm believer that an expansive knowledge will lead to the truth. A person who is afraid to examine everything is most likely frightened of what they might find. Some will only read material that reinforces the beliefs they already hold. That is tantamount to burying one’s head in the sand.

Oh, one of the best Bibles I have come across in The New Oxford Annotated Bible. You want the best study Bible? Here it is:

https://archive.org/stream/the_new_...pha_new_revised_standard_ver#page/n0/mode/2up
Exactly.

And that is an excellent Bible. And you can’t beat free. Surprisingly very quick to load pages, at least on my computer.

I’ll be consulting that one, along with my Zondervan NASB Study Bible, Nelson NKJV Study Bible, and others as necessary. The appendixes in the KJV Companion Bible are interesting.

I don't agree with everything in the commentaries in those Bibles, which is not a reason to throw them out.
 
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Tintin

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The NRSV is a very good translation but I'm sick of Study Bibles that pay tribute to the bull that is the Documentary Hypothesis. There's less evidence for it being true than there is for Evolution being true (and that's saying a heck of a lot!)
 
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The NRSV is a very good translation but I'm sick of Study Bibles that pay tribute to the bull that is the Documentary Hypothesis. There's less evidence for it being true than there is for Evolution being true (and that's saying a heck of a lot!)
And therein lies the root of your confusion.

It's "bull" if it doesn't jive with your preconceived notions.

This is like a Geico commercial. Everybody knows that . . . evolution has occurred, if the word is adequately defined.