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PlainWord

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Many think Babylon is America, or Rome, or perhaps Jerusalem. However, Babylon may not be a physical place, it could be a spiritual place or state of mind/behavior/attitude/belief/confusion/wickedness/evil/sin or perhaps Satan's earthly kingdom, etc. Contrasts can be found throughout the Bible, Good vs. Evil, God vs. Satan. Jesus uses comparisons extensively in His teachings such as the 10 Virgins, Prodigal Son, Rich Man Poor Man, Wheat and Tares etc and He also uses parables to show us things that others cannot see.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is mostly a spiritual book, John was taken in spirit and shown things in the spirit. John uses spiritual terms extensively in Revelation and often times he tells us what they mean. For example, sea means the masses (of people), a beast means a kingdom, candlestick means church, etc.

Paul tells us in Eph 6: "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Paul clearly lived in the world but he also saw, lived in and fought in the spiritual realm. Many of us Christians only see the literal meaning and cannot see the spiritual meaning of many Biblical passages. This is especially true when it comes to prophesy which is largely spiritual. So, we miss out on the true meaning.

Babylon is a spiritual place. John calls it a "city", a "great city" to be exact. John also calls Jerusalem a "great city", see below. Note, it isn't the current Jerusalem that is called "great" it is the new Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:10 NKJV

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Now here is the opposite, the evil "great city" which will be destroyed.

Revelation 18:10 NKJV

standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'


So, we have two "great cities" one good (new Jerusalem), one bad (Babylon). So, John clearly is telling us of two great cities. He compares and contrasts them. Since Babylon is the evil city, can we assume that everywhere in Revelation where John is discussing an evil Great City, that he is referring to Babylon? How about here?

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Does the above fit Babylon? Does it make sense that the two witnesses of God would be killed by Babylon? It is called a great city and it is called "spiritual." So what is spiritually Sodom and Egypt? It isn't Jerusalem as many so-called experts declare. The Lord was crucified in literal Jerusalem but He was also killed in spiritual Babylon which is the same place the "two witnesses" will be killed.

We are told in Rev 18:4 to, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." Are we to leave a physical wicked city (like New York, Rome, Bangkok, or Las Vegas, etc) or are we to come out of sin, come out of the way of the world? There are many wicked cities in the world, is only one of them Babylon?

The key to understanding what Babylon represents is given above in Rev 11:8. It is spiritually Sodom and Egypt. We all know what Sodom represents and we all see the impact this spirit is having on our churches and faith today. What about Egypt? What did/ or does Egypt represent? How about riches, love of money, and excesses? Are these not idols? How many of us spend more time earning money so we can acquire possessions rather than working for the kingdom? Do we find spiritual Egypt defined by John? How about here?

9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.' 11 And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.
 
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Many think Babylon is America, or Rome, or perhaps Jerusalem. However, Babylon may not be a physical place, it could be a spiritual place or state of mind/behavior/attitude/belief/confusion/wickedness/evil/sin or perhaps Satan's earthly kingdom, etc. Contrasts can be found throughout the Bible, Good vs. Evil, God vs. Satan. Jesus uses comparisons extensively in His teachings such as the 10 Virgins, Prodigal Son, Rich Man Poor Man, Wheat and Tares etc and He also uses parables to show us things that others cannot see.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is mostly a spiritual book, John was taken in spirit and shown things in the spirit. John uses spiritual terms extensively in Revelation and often times he tells us what they mean. For example, sea means the masses (of people), a beast means a kingdom, candlestick means church, etc.

Paul tells us in Eph 6: "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Paul clearly lived in the world but he also saw, lived in and fought in the spiritual realm. Many of us Christians only see the literal meaning and cannot see the spiritual meaning of many Biblical passages. This is especially true when it comes to prophesy which is largely spiritual. So, we miss out on the true meaning.

Babylon is a spiritual place. John calls it a "city", a "great city" to be exact. John also calls Jerusalem a "great city", see below. Note, it isn't the current Jerusalem that is called "great" it is the new Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:10 NKJV

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Now here is the opposite, the evil "great city" which will be destroyed.

Revelation 18:10 NKJV

standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'


So, we have two "great cities" one good (new Jerusalem), one bad (Babylon). So, John clearly is telling us of two great cities. He compares and contrasts them. Since Babylon is the evil city, can we assume that everywhere in Revelation where John is discussing an evil Great City, that he is referring to Babylon? How about here?

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Does the above fit Babylon? Does it make sense that the two witnesses of God would be killed by Babylon? It is called a great city and it is called "spiritual." So what is spiritually Sodom and Egypt? It isn't Jerusalem as many so-called experts declare. The Lord was crucified in literal Jerusalem but He was also killed in spiritual Babylon which is the same place the "two witnesses" will be killed.

We are told in Rev 18:4 to, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." Are we to leave a physical wicked city (like New York, Rome, Bangkok, or Las Vegas, etc) or are we to come out of sin, come out of the way of the world? There are many wicked cities in the world, is only one of them Babylon?

The key to understanding what Babylon represents is given above in Rev 11:8. It is spiritually Sodom and Egypt. We all know what Sodom represents and we all see the impact this spirit is having on our churches and faith today. What about Egypt? What did/ or does Egypt represent? How about riches, love of money, and excesses? Are these not idols? How many of us spend more time earning money so we can acquire possessions rather than working for the kingdom? Do we find spiritual Egypt defined by John? How about here?

9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.' 11 And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.
Read Psalm 137, Jeremiah 50-51 Isaiah 13, 21, 47, Ezekiel 18 and add in Revelation and you will find the following blended in with BABYLON B.C....BABYLON is FALLEN..IS FALLEN..NOTE DANIEL and MENE, MENE and how one is left our and the singular is used to describe BABYLON B.C. and it's fall and then google BABYLON...LONG ISLAND<---came into existence in 1872 when the Jews who settled there said it reminded them of their BABYLONIAN captivity and then study history and lay BABYLON B.C. next to BABYLON A.D. (N.Y) and stand in awe of the comparisons!

The DAUGHTER OF BABYLON<---THE NATION
BABYLON A.D.<-----HER chief city

The HINDERMOST of the NATIONS
NATIONAL symbols...EAGLE and LADY of the KINGDOMS and a WOMAN
MOUNTS HER DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
MELTING POT of the WORLD
HAMMER of the WHOLE EARTH militarily
OVER SHADOWS with WINGS
KNEW GOD in TRUTH and DEPARTED

The descriptions of REVELATION do not fit ROME!

ETC...

10.5 Billion to one which nation when the math is done....falls in a strike that can only be described as NUCLEAR and followed by an invasion where every one found is thrust through with weapons that causes the people to EXPLODE down into FRAGMENTS and PIECES
 
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Read Psalm 137, Jeremiah 50-51 Isaiah 13, 21, 47, Ezekiel 18 and add in Revelation and you will find the following blended in with BABYLON B.C....BABYLON is FALLEN..IS FALLEN..NOTE DANIEL and MENE, MENE and how one is left our and the singular is used to describe BABYLON B.C. and it's fall and then google BABYLON...LONG ISLAND<---came into existence in 1872 when the Jews who settled there said it reminded them of their BABYLONIAN captivity and then study history and lay BABYLON B.C. next to BABYLON A.D. (N.Y) and stand in awe of the comparisons!

The DAUGHTER OF BABYLON<---THE NATION
BABYLON A.D.<-----HER chief city

The HINDERMOST of the NATIONS
NATIONAL symbols...EAGLE and LADY of the KINGDOMS and a WOMAN
MOUNTS HER DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
MELTING POT of the WORLD
HAMMER of the WHOLE EARTH militarily
OVER SHADOWS with WINGS
KNEW GOD in TRUTH and DEPARTED

The descriptions of REVELATION do not fit ROME!

ETC...

10.5 Billion to one which nation when the math is done....falls in a strike that can only be described as NUCLEAR and followed by an invasion where every one found is thrust through with weapons that causes the people to EXPLODE down into FRAGMENTS and PIECES
Interesting but not compelling. Babylon is spiritual. There is only one judgment for the wicked then they will be burned with fire. Compare this:

8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day--death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. 9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,

to this:

Matthew 13:42 NKJV

and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:28 NKJV

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.

The entire chapter of Rev 18 is devoted to the fall of Babylon. It will be a MAJOR event. The next thing discussed is the return of the Lord. Chapter 18 ends with this verse:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."

It cannot be said by any stretch of the imagination that all the slain of earth were found in the USA, or NYC and certainly not Babylon, NY. There is no physical place where all the slain of earth is found. The slain prophets and saints can be found worldwide. They too cannot be found in one location. Thus Babylon is a spiritual state of wickedness, of Satan.
 

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Hi PlainWord,
Good job noticing that Babylon is not a physical city but a group of persons of spiritual similarity. The Bible talks about the fall of the congregations of the church age over and over again and it uses many different parable scenarios to show this same thing. Yes, Sodom and Egypt and Babylon are all picturing this, as you have noticed the similarities. For that matter, the fall of the walls of Jericho picture this. Walls represent salvation in the Bible and when Joshua and his Israelites (who represent Jesus and the true believers) march around Jericho (whose name means moon - a picture of the law, and the city of palms -a picture of the righteous) and the walls fall it means salvation is fallen there in that city (that group of spiritually similar persons). It is the same moment as Rev 18:4 (Fallen Babyon). Notice that the fall occurs during the figurative hour of tribulation (not a literal hour, but parable language for the time period). Notice this is the same as the emphasis on the number 7 in the fall of the walls of Jericho, also pointing to the time period of God's Sabbath, the tribulation period (Matthew 24:20-21). The fall is not a physical one but a spiritual one, meaning salvation is not there anymore. Rev 18 tells us that Jesus' voice will not be heard there any longer (because the Holy Spirit is removed from there). However, the people will have a religious claim that they are Christian (horns of a lamb) but will speak as a dragon (will be spiritually from Satan). It will be like the Pharisees Jesus encountered. Remember how Abraham pleaded with God that if there were just a few righteous (saved persons) left in Sodom, God should spare the whole place. But finally, God got Lot and his family of true believers out of there and spiritual judgement fell on Sodom (the physical fire and whatnot was providing a parable picture of the unsaved condition, not a physical thing really, that it points to for the congregations of the tribulation period).
 

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Most likely it is spiritualy place or desendents of Babylon.
 

john832

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Most likely it is spiritualy place or desendents of Babylon.
It is a type of Babylon. Read Daniel 2 and you see that at the end of the age, the stone strikes the image on it's feet, yet ALL of the kingdoms brake into chaff and are blown away. Rome was a continuation of Medo-Persia which was a continuation of Greco-Macedonia which was a continuation of Babylon.
 
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It is Moscow. And the Great Harlot sitting on the beast is Russian Orthodox Church in unity with superstate - as a tooll of Antichrist.

Antichrist will be a king (tsar). Republican-constructed USA just neve had a single chance to survive as a last Global Supercountry.

The astonishment of the saint John come out of the fact that the true church will finally becaming a direct tool of false prophet and antichrist.
 

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It is Moscow. And the Great Harlot sitting on the beast is Russian Orthodox Church in unity with superstate - as a tooll of Antichrist.

Antichrist will be a king (tsar). Republican-constructed USA just neve had a single chance to survive as a last Global Supercountry.

The astonishment of the saint John come out of the fact that the true church will finally becaming a direct tool of false prophet and antichrist.
Where do you get this stuff?
 
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Every one who makes Babylon a spiritual entity fail to recognize that BABYLON A.D. is called THAT MEGA CITY 6 times in Revelation......WHERE the KINGS OF THE EARTH MEET.....WHAT CITY on the planet right now houses the building WHERE THE KINGS OF THE EARTH MEET?.....IT IS A SYSTEM blended in with a CITY and WHERE does the WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES MEET? WHERE DO THE GLOBAL SECURITY ISSUSES GET DECIDED?

JESUS said the PHARISEES were guilty of ALL the blood of the slain all the way back to the righteous blood of ABEL....WERE THEY THEMSELVES GUILTY? SO the point made in post number 3 concerning the blood shed is also not valid and can APPLY to the SYSTEM that is found in the CITY and NATION OF THE CITY.

BABEL (SYSTEM)-----------------BABYLON B.C.------------------------------->BABYLON A.D. THAT MEGA CITY where the KINGS OF THE EARTH MEET!
 
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Interesting but not compelling. Babylon is spiritual. There is only one judgment for the wicked then they will be burned with fire. Compare this:

8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day--death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. 9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,

to this:

Matthew 13:42 NKJV

and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:28 NKJV

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.

The entire chapter of Rev 18 is devoted to the fall of Babylon. It will be a MAJOR event. The next thing discussed is the return of the Lord. Chapter 18 ends with this verse:

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."

It cannot be said by any stretch of the imagination that all the slain of earth were found in the USA, or NYC and certainly not Babylon, NY. There is no physical place where all the slain of earth is found. The slain prophets and saints can be found worldwide. They too cannot be found in one location. Thus Babylon is a spiritual state of wickedness, of Satan.
Take the time to study the chapters given in context along side world history!
 
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Answer me please, first, where you all (protestants) taking such stuff as calling as allegory whatsoever part of the Scriptures which does not comply to your own undestanding of christianity????

Those of you who reject Holy Sacraments call as allegory words of Jesus Himself about eating His flash and drinking His blood (for salvation). Whosoever another direct worlds which does not comply with your views your are also used to call ALLEGORY!!

While the Revelation (chapter 17), points directly that the Great Babylon is a woman (=CHURCH= THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!) and is the woman is great city reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So the Great Babylon of the Revelation is a unity of a Church (hystorical = traditional residence) and a capital of great country.

Rome is not a capital of superstate. Washington DC does not have traditional church (A Church as hystorical entity) at all.

So the only city is Moscow!!!

Also look to the ancients state emblem of the Old Babylon!!! - It is the same two-headed eagle which New Babylon (russia) has now (as well as during the last 600 years)
 
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Answer me please, first, where you all (protestants) taking such stuff as calling as allegory whatsoever part of the Scriptures which does not comply to your own undestanding of christianity????

Those of you who reject Holy Sacraments call as allegory words of Jesus Himself about eating His flash and drinking His blood (for salvation). Whosoever another direct worlds which does not comply with your views your are also used to call ALLEGORY!!

While the Revelation (chapter 17), points directly that the Great Babylon is a woman (=CHURCH= THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!) and is the woman is great city reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So the Great Babylon of the Revelation is a unity of a Church (hystorical = traditional residence) and a capital of great country.

Rome is not a capital of superstate. Washington DC does not have traditional church (A Church as hystorical entity) at all.

So the only city is Moscow!!!

Also look to the ancients state emblem of the Old Babylon!!! - It is the same two-headed eagle which New Babylon (russia) has now (as well as during the last 600 years)
N.Y.-->World COUNCIL of CHURCHES under the banner of Roman Catholicism-->BABYLON, LONG ISLAND 1872 comes into existence!

What deep water ports does Moscow have?
How have the merchants of the earth been made rich by trade with Moscow?
How does (SUCH riches) and the merchants of the earth weeping over HER apply unto Moscow?
Since when does Moscow have people identified with the Lord and called to come out from HER and how does this apply unto Moscow?
How have ALL nations drunk of the wine of HER fornication apply unto Moscow?
How does Moscow sit as a QUEEN and glorified herself?
How is MOSCOW identified as a woman, she and HER?

N.Y. is identified with the biggest statue of ISIS in the world...called LADY LIBERTY!
 
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N.Y.-->World COUNCIL of CHURCHES under the banner of Roman Catholicism-->BABYLON, LONG ISLAND 1872 comes into existence!

What deep water ports does Moscow have?
How have the merchants of the earth been made rich by trade with Moscow?
How does (SUCH riches) and the merchants of the earth weeping over HER apply unto Moscow?
Since when does Moscow have people identified with the Lord and called to come out from HER and how does this apply unto Moscow?
How have ALL nations drunk of the wine of HER fornication apply unto Moscow?
How does Moscow sit as a QUEEN and glorified herself?
How is MOSCOW identified as a woman, she and HER?

N.Y. is identified with the biggest statue of ISIS in the world...called LADY LIBERTY!
Look yourself first to the words of the Revelation - (17:15) the waters which you sawest where the whore is sitteth are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. The Revelations speaks directly that the deep waters is not about physical ports but about different nations. And in cursed russia more than 80 ethnik groups with own languages and micro-statehood (national republic). And still if you like to speak about physical ports, let it be known to you that since soviet times Moscow was officially promoted as a port of five seas (it linked through channels and rivers with five different seas).

Exactly most of the merchants (global corporations from different regions) make good money selling goods in Moscow (where concentrated the whole trade of russia) and buying russian oil and gas.

You are asking a question wich is linked with the latest times (of future years). = When cursed russian Empair of Antichrist will be remained the only global superstate the world trade will be more focused on Moscow.

Call of the Lord to go out of Her, is commandment addressed to the real christians to LEAVE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH. Real christianity (orthodox) has over 800 years of history in Moscow, unlike to fake recently invented protestant denominations in USA. It is applied to the Great Whore = Russian Orthodox Church which is resided in Moscow city.

Why you ask me a childish question?? Do not you understand yourself that the words ALL nations drunk of the wine of HER fornication, tell us about upcoming deceipt of false prophet and Antichrist. They both will use the Church (Great Whore) = russian orthodox church for establishing of their global superstate (reign over all the world). It is applied to Moscow through the explaned above transformation (of real christian traditional church into a tool of the beasts).

All the soviet times and now russians prais Moscow as the best and most glorified city in the world (for undestanding it you need to see translation of the their songs and propoganda).

In russian language each name (of city) has either feminin or masculine gender. Moscow is of Feminine Gender in Russian. They directly use She world when they speak about Moscow. For you is better to know that in church practice Woman always meant Church = Read the worlds of the Revelation about woman dressed in sun.

NY is not a capital of USA (Washington). And I pointed you from begining Where is no the traditional historical Church (WOMAN OF REVELATION) in USA. Neither USA has any tradition of kingdomehood.

While during all the history of real christianity was known (out of the verbal tradition) that the Antichrist will be a King (not an elected leader, but a king).
 
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Take the time to study the chapters given in context along side world history!
It isn't Babylon, NY;). That place wasn't even a city until 1870. As others point out, the Spirit of Babylon goes back for millennia.
 

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I think we need to be clear in our definitions. There are two entities being described, the WOMAN and the BEAST who carries her. They are NOT the same thing.

This is what we are told:

And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast

So what is the woman and what is the beast??

BEAST:

1. Full of names of blasphemy
2. Has 7 heads (7 mountains which the woman sits) and 10 horns (10 kings who have yet to receive their kingdom)
3. These 10 kings will receive authority with the Beast for one hour.
4. Was, is not, and yet is and will ascend from bottomless pit.
5. Will go to perdition.
6. Unbelievers will marvel at the Beast
7. There are also 7 kings [5 fallen, (1 is as of AD 95), 1 is yet to come and will continue a short time]
(EGYPT, ASSYRIA, BABYLON, MEDO-PERSIA, and GREECE have fallen), ROME was the 6th kingdom of John's day.
8. The Beast is the 8th and is of the 7. They are of one mind and give power and authority to the Beast
9. The Beast will make war with the Lamb and lose.
10. The Beast hates the harlot (WOMAN/Babylon) and will make her desolate, naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Conclusion
: The BEAST is NOT the WOMAN nor is it BABYLON. The Beast is the 8th kingdom and is of the first 7 kingdoms. Who is the 7th? Could be the UK? Could be the USA? Could be the UN? Who is the 8th? ISIS perhaps?

WOMAN:

1. MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
2. Kings of earth fornicated with her. Inhabitants of earth made drunk with wine of her fornication.
3. Arrayed in purple and scarlet, gold, gems, pearls, Golden Cup full of abominations and filthiness
4. Drunk with blood of saints and martyrs of Jesus.
5. Great "city" which reigns over the kings of the earth.
6. Dwelling place/prison/cage for demons, every foul spirit, every unclean and foul bird!
7. Merchants have become rich from abundance of her luxury
8. Plagues come in one day - death, mourning, famine - utterly burned with fire. God allows it, beast does it.
9. Woman/Harlot sits on waters which are peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues.
10. In her was found the blood of prophets and saints and all who were slain on earth.
11. Has deceived all nations by her sorcery.

Conclusion: Woman CANNOT be a singular nation or city. The woman is not a place. The Woman is a harlot with which kings and everyone will commit fornication. Harlotry and Idolatry are often synonymous in the Bible. Thus the woman is "worshiped" and elevated above God. The woman is all about riches and possessions. The woman is guilty of martyring saints and prophets. The woman contains slain bodies and souls.

The 8th Beast destroys the woman and burns her. This is clear from the text in red in both descriptions. The woman deceives with "sorcery." Thus:

WOMAN = BABYLON = WORLDWIDE "WORSHIP" of a FALSE and DECEPTIVE RELIGION or BELIEF or SPIRIT


The 8th Kingdom "carries" this False Belief System/Religion then utterly destroys it when he is done with her.
 
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On second thought, the 7th empire was most likely the Ottoman Empire 1299 to 1923.
 
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I will never understand how some understand spiritual and natural being separated.

Scriptures are true in ALL regards. It is not fallible spiritually nor naturally. If your doctrine denies that the scriptures are true in either regard, then it is a fallacy.

All things in the natural are manifestation of the spirit. Therefore if a thing is spiritual, then it is also manifested in the flesh. Certainly this is not hard to conceive.
 

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It is Moscow. And the Great Harlot sitting on the beast is Russian Orthodox Church in unity with superstate - as a tooll of Antichrist.

Antichrist will be a king (tsar). Republican-constructed USA just neve had a single chance to survive as a last Global Supercountry.

The astonishment of the saint John come out of the fact that the true church will finally becaming a direct tool of false prophet and antichrist.
It is hard to dismiss Putin's royal lineage, born on Russian Christmas day, and that Vladimir means world leader while Putin means "the way" in Russian but "who're" in French. And arguably, the most power man on earth at this time.
 
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Who is the False Prophet?

Muhammad

Who is the False God?

Allah

What is the False Religion?

Islam
 

PlainWord

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I will never understand how some understand spiritual and natural being separated.

Scriptures are true in ALL regards. It is not fallible spiritually nor naturally. If your doctrine denies that the scriptures are true in either regard, then it is a fallacy.

All things in the natural are manifestation of the spirit. Therefore if a thing is spiritual, then it is also manifested in the flesh. Certainly this is not hard to conceive.
Totally agree. A thought process such as faith - the belief in something - is spiritual. Most wars are fought over religion or spiritual beliefs.

For example:

The spiritual belief in Islam is leading to actual war and killings in the literal world. The Crusades were another example of this. The Spanish Inquisition was yet another example as was the slaughter of Jews by Hitler.