God's Glory -- What God "Looks Like" -- Transformation

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Atwood

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Beholding God's Glory is transforming; thus recommendable.
Romans 12:1-2 tells us to be transformed.
2 Cor 3:18 indicates that it is beholding God's glory as in a mirror which transforms.
James uses mirror for the Word of God, thus I take it that such is its meaning in 2 Cor 3:18.
I take it that we may behold the Glory of God in the mirror of the Bible and thus be transformed from glory to glory (from the source of glory in God's word to glory produced in ourselves=Christians).

Transformation = metamorphosis.
Morphē is a deeper word than schēma (more outward form).
The Christian has 2 natures, 2 forms, 2 morphai or Gestalts, Old Man & New Man.
Prophet Paul said that he was in travail until Christ be morphed/formed in the readers.

All that is preamble to the value of contemplating God's Glory.

I will post a passage or two; others are invited to share Glory Passages on this Thread. These are much the same as "What God Looks Like." God is invisible; yet sometimes we get a representation of "What He Looks Like" (figuratively speaking) in the Bible.

Habakkuk 3 has a favorite:

God came from Teman,
And the Holy One from mount Paran. [Selah.
His glory covered the heavens,
And the earth was full of his praise.
4 And his brightness was as the light;
He had rays coming forth from his hand;
And there was the hiding of his power.
5 Before him went the pestilence,
And fiery bolts went forth at his feet.
6 He stood, and measured the earth;
He beheld, and drove asunder the nations;
And the eternal mountains were scattered;
The everlasting hills did bow;
His goings were as of old.
7 I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction;
The curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.
8 Was Jehovah displeased with the rivers?
Was thine anger against the rivers,
Or thy wrath against the sea,
That thou didst ride upon thy horses,
Upon thy chariots of salvation?
9 Thy bow was made quite bare;
The oaths to the tribes were a sure word. [Selah.
Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.
10 The mountains saw thee, and were afraid;
The tempest of waters passed by;
The deep uttered its voice,
And lifted up its hands on high.
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation,
At the light of thine arrows as they went,
At the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation;
Thou didst thresh the nations in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people,
For the salvation of thine anointed;
Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked man,
Laying bare the foundation even unto the neck. [Selah.
14 Thou didst pierce with his own staves the head of his warriors:

Rev 4 has another:

and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and one sitting upon the throne; 3 and he that sat was to look upon like a jasper stone and a sardius: [red colored]
and there was
a halo round about the throne, like an emerald to look upon.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceed lightnings and voices and thunders. And there were
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God; 6 and before the throne, as it were a sea of glass like unto crystal;

and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, four living creatures . . . saying,


Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come.


9 And when the living creatures shall give glory and honor and thanks to him that sitteth on the throne, to him that liveth for ever and ever, 10 the four and twenty elders shall fall down before him that sitteth on the throne, and shall worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and shall cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.






 
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Yes yes yes!!! my battery bolted up just ready this !! I can almost feel electricity bolting off me!
 

Atwood

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GOD'S GLORY: THE CONSUMING FIRE OF EXODUS & DEUTERONOMY

EXODUS

[Note: Malach = messenger,
Malach YHWH = The Messenger of YHWH;
Elohim = God;
Ha-Elohim = of (the) God;
ha- = the in Hebrew, used where we do not use the article in English]

Ex 3
And Malach YHWH appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold,
the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Ex 9
And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and YHWH sent
thunder and hail, and fire ran down unto the earth; and YHWH rained hail upon the land of Egypt. So there was hail, and
fire mingled with the hail, very grievous,

Ex 13
And YHWH went before them
by day in
a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way, and
by night
in a pillar of fire, to give them light; that they might go by day and by night:
the pillar of cloud by day, and
the pillar of fire by night, departed not from before the people.

Ex 14
And Malach Ha-Elohim, who went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and
the pillar of cloud removed from before them, and stood behind them: and
it came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and there was
the cloud and the darkness, yet
it gave light by night
:
and the one came not near the other all the night.

And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and YHWH caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all the night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. . . . And it came to pass in the morning watch, that
YHWH looked forth upon the host of the Egyptians through
the pillar of fire and of cloud, and discomfited the host of the Egyptians. And he took off their chariot wheels, and they drove them heavily; so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for YHWH fights for them against the Egyptians.

Ex 15

They went down into the depths like a stone.
Thy right hand, O Jehovah, is glorious in power,
Thy right hand, O Jehovah, dasheth in pieces the enemy. And in the greatness of thine excellency thou overthrowest them that rise up against thee:
Thou sendest forth thy wrath, it consumeth them as stubble.
And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were piled up,
The floods stood upright as a heap;
. . .
Who is like unto thee, O YHWH, among the gods?
Who is like thee,
glorious in holiness,
Fearful in praises, doing wonders?
You stretched out your right hand,
The earth swallowed them.

Ex 16
as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold,
the glory of YHWH appeared in the cloud.
And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread: and ye shall know that I am YHWH your God.

Ex 19
9 And YHWH said to Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in
a thick cloud,
that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and may also believe thee forever.

Ex 19
And it came to pass on the third day, when it was morning, that there were
thunders and lightnings, and
a thick cloud upon the mount, and
the voice of a trumpet exceeding loud
; and all the people that were in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And
Mount Sinai, the whole of it, smoked, because
YHWH descended upon it in fire; and
the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and
the whole mount quaked greatly.
And when
the voice of the trumpet waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And
YHWH came down upon mount Sinai, to the top of the mount:

Ex 20

And all the people perceived
the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the trumpet, and
the mountain smoking:
and when the people saw it, they trembled, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die. And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before you, that ye sin not. And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto
the thick darkness where God was.

Ex 24

and they saw the God of Israel; and there was
under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and
as it were the very heaven for clearness.

And Moses went up into the mount, and
the cloud covered the mount. And
the glory of YHWH abode upon mount Sinai, and
the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of
the midst of the cloud. And
the appearance of the glory of YHWH was like
devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses entered into
the midst of the cloud, and went up into the mount:

DEUTERONOMY

Deut 5
YHWH spake with you
face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire, (I stood between YHWH and you at that time, to show you the word of YHWH: for ye were afraid because of
the fire, . . .

These words Jehovah spake unto all your assembly in the mount
out of the midst of the fire,
of the cloud, and
of the thick darkness,
with a great voice
:

Deut 10

And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which YHWH spake unto you in the mount
out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and YHWH gave them unto me.

Deut 32
. . . ,
YHWH came from Sinai,
And rose from Seir unto them;
He shined forth from mount Paran,
And he came from the ten thousands of holy ones:
At his right hand was a fiery law for them.
 
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Very Interesting topic when I think on GOD's GLORY I think of JESUS Transfiguration. Notice we are made in the Image of GOD, we are Transformed by the Renewal of our minds. When JESUS was being Transfigured Moses and Elijah were present and were seen but only chosen ones witnessed this. Moses when he came down from the mountain after receiving the two stone tablets the GLORY shone so heavy that he had to wear a veil to protect others. GOD's GLORY changes us from HIS Image, renewal, Transfiguration to our Glorified Body (what they saw in JESUS when HE rose again) AHHHH that's POWERFUL and exciting :")

Blessings!!!!!!!
 

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Very Interesting topic when I think on GOD's GLORY I think of JESUS Transfiguration.
THE TRANSFIGURATION
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE GLORY OF YHWH:

Mt
And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 and
he was transfigured before them; and
his face did shine as the sun, and
his garments became white as the light.


Mk

and he was transfigured before them; and
his garments became glistering, exceeding white,
so as no fuller on earth can whiten them.

Lk
And as he was praying,
the fashion of his countenance was altered, and
his raiment became white and dazzling. (ASV)More literally:
his raiment became white flashing out like lightning,
(or
his raiment became white, intensely flashing like lightning,
taking the prefixed preposition ἐξ as an intensifying preposition, like "up" in Eat up the food, or out
in "watch out").
The verb is exastraptō = ex (preposition "out of") +
astraptō).

BDAG:
ἐξαστράπτωflash/gleam like lightning

fig. of a white garment Lk 9:29.

Liddell & Scott Lexicon:
"to flash as with lightning"

L & S [Same word without the prefixed prepostion ἐξ (ex) ]:
ἀστράπτω (α euphon., στράπτω, cf. ἀ-στεροπή),
to lighten, hurl lightnings.
2. impers., ἀστράπτει it lightens, ἤστραψε it lightened, Att.
II. to flash like lightning,
—c. acc. cogn., ἐξ ὀμμάτων [from eyes] . . . ἤστραπτε [he flashed] σέλας (sc. Τυφών)
he flashed flame from his eyes, Aesch.

Can you imagine this in your mind?
 

Atwood

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he was transfigured before them; and
his face did shine as the sun, and
his garments became white as the light.


and he was transfigured before them; and
his garments became glistering, exceeding white,
so as no fuller on earth can whiten them.

the fashion of his countenance was altered, and
his raiment became white and dazzling. . . .
his raiment became white, intensely flashing like lightning,
flash/gleam like lightning . . ."to flash as with lightning . . .
Can you imagine this in your mind?
Compare Hab 3: "his brightness was as the light;
He had rays coming forth from his hand"

When He returns to take over planet earth and establish His Kingdom,
we can expect to see this ourselves.
When we get to Heaven before that, will He look like that?
Is this what we will see at the Rapture?
 
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I have seen His glory on the faces of:

Some while they are worshiping.
Some while they are dying and you see the essence of Jesus on their face.
and (as unbelievable as this may sound)
I have seen little tiny sparkles on the faces of a few people after being in His presence - and they have been worshiping or teaching.

If Moses radiated His glory upon his face - and we have even a greater glory upon us - why not?
 

Atwood

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If Moses radiated His glory upon his face - and we have even a greater glory upon us - why not?
Exodus
And when Moses had done speaking with them, he put a veil on his face. 34 But when Moses went in before Jehovah to speak with him, he took the veil off, until he came out; and he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. 35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the veil upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

2 Cor 3-4:

7 But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away: 8 how shall not rather the ministration of the spirit be with glory? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation hath glory, much rather doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For verily that which hath been made glorious hath not been made glorious in this respect, by reason of the glory that surpasseth. 11 For if that which passeth away was with glory, much more that which remaineth is in glory.


12 Having therefore such a hope, we use great boldness of speech, 13 and are not as Moses, who put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel should not look stedfastly on the end of that which was passing away: 14 but their minds were hardened: for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remaineth, it not being revealed to them that it is done away in Christ. 15 But unto this day, whensoever Moses is read, a veil lieth upon their heart. 16 But whensoever it shall turn to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now YHWH is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of YHWH, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the YHWH the Spirit.



4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, even as we obtained mercy, we faint not: 2 but we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by the manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of
the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts,
to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

[
Sirs, we would see Jesus. ]
 

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Exodus
And when Moses had done speaking with them, he put a veil on his face. 34 But when Moses went in before Jehovah to speak with him, he took the veil off, until he came out; and he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. 35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the veil upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

2 Cor 3-4:

7 But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away: 8 how shall not rather the ministration of the spirit be with glory? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation hath glory, much rather doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For verily that which hath been made glorious hath not been made glorious in this respect, by reason of the glory that surpasseth. 11 For if that which passeth away was with glory, much more that which remaineth is in glory.


12 Having therefore such a hope, we use great boldness of speech, 13 and are not as Moses, who put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel should not look stedfastly on the end of that which was passing away: 14 but their minds were hardened: for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remaineth, it not being revealed to them that it is done away in Christ. 15 But unto this day, whensoever Moses is read, a veil lieth upon their heart. 16 But whensoever it shall turn to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now YHWH is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of YHWH, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the YHWH the Spirit.



4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, even as we obtained mercy, we faint not: 2 but we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by the manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish: 4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of
the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts,
to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

[
Sirs, we would see Jesus. ]
Acts 9
3 And as he journeyed, it came to pass that he drew nigh unto Damascus: and
suddenly there shone round about him a light out of heaven: 4 and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: 6 but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7 And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man. 8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw nothing; and they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and did neither eat nor drink.

Rev 1:

7 Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him;

1 John:


We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. 3 And every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.




 
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Beholding God's Glory is transforming; thus recommendable.
Romans 12:1-2 tells us to be transformed.
2 Cor 3:18 indicates that it is beholding God's glory as in a mirror which transforms.
James uses mirror for the Word of God, thus I take it that such is its meaning in 2 Cor 3:18.
I take it that we may behold the Glory of God in the mirror of the Bible and thus be transformed from glory to glory (from the source of glory in God's word to glory produced in ourselves=Christians).

Transformation = metamorphosis.
Morphē is a deeper word than schēma (more outward form).
The Christian has 2 natures, 2 forms, 2 morphai or Gestalts, Old Man & New Man.
Prophet Paul said that he was in travail until Christ be morphed/formed in the readers.

All that is preamble to the value of contemplating God's Glory.

I will post a passage or two; others are invited to share Glory Passages on this Thread. These are much the same as "What God Looks Like." God is invisible; yet sometimes we get a representation of "What He Looks Like" (figuratively speaking) in the Bible.

Habakkuk 3 has a favorite:

God came from Teman,
And the Holy One from mount Paran. [Selah.
His glory covered the heavens,
And the earth was full of his praise.
4 And his brightness was as the light;
He had rays coming forth from his hand;
And there was the hiding of his power.
5 Before him went the pestilence,
And fiery bolts went forth at his feet.
6 He stood, and measured the earth;
He beheld, and drove asunder the nations;
And the eternal mountains were scattered;
The everlasting hills did bow;
His goings were as of old.
7 I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction;
The curtains of the land of Midian did tremble.
8 Was Jehovah displeased with the rivers?
Was thine anger against the rivers,
Or thy wrath against the sea,
That thou didst ride upon thy horses,
Upon thy chariots of salvation?
9 Thy bow was made quite bare;
The oaths to the tribes were a sure word. [Selah.
Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.
10 The mountains saw thee, and were afraid;
The tempest of waters passed by;
The deep uttered its voice,
And lifted up its hands on high.
11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation,
At the light of thine arrows as they went,
At the shining of thy glittering spear.
12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation;
Thou didst thresh the nations in anger.
13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people,
For the salvation of thine anointed;
Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked man,
Laying bare the foundation even unto the neck. [Selah.
14 Thou didst pierce with his own staves the head of his warriors:

Rev 4 has another:

and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and one sitting upon the throne; 3 and he that sat was to look upon like a jasper stone and a sardius: [red colored]
and there was
a halo round about the throne, like an emerald to look upon.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceed lightnings and voices and thunders. And there were
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God; 6 and before the throne, as it were a sea of glass like unto crystal;

and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, four living creatures . . . saying,


Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is to come.


9 And when the living creatures shall give glory and honor and thanks to him that sitteth on the throne, to him that liveth for ever and ever, 10 the four and twenty elders shall fall down before him that sitteth on the throne, and shall worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and shall cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.






Amen! Yes, the Glory of the New Covenant in Christ's face shining in us making us shine as the Stars of Heaven is so far beyond the old law covenant glory of Moses, praise Jesus the Christ!
 

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1 Corinthians 15:40-44
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Thanks, but I'll wait.
 
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(Mat 5:14)
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

(Php 2:15)
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;