SHALL WEAR OUT THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH

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Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Are you saying that this man the majority of the world will follow him even so called christians ?
 
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notuptome said:
I really do not see that as factual. Sunday remains the first day of the week. The first day of the work week is Monday but I really don't think any of this effects the end times.

What the evil trinity will endeavor to accomplish is a desecration of the holy days and the religious feasts but I don't see it as changing the days of the week.

For the cause of Christ
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What day of the week was Jesus resurrected the 1st ,2nd etc When ?
 
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Well there is a surprise. The multitudes are wrong?
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therefore God does not deal with the multitude ? He only deals with the few ? So you are saying that January is not the new year or month yet the majority of the world keep those ? interesting
 
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therefore God does not deal with the multitude ? He only deals with the few ? So you are saying that January is not the new year or month yet the majority of the world keep those ? interesting
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Well, I am not saying that January is not the first month...

Exo 12:2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you.

The Designer and Creator of days, weeks, months and years says this.
 
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What day of the week was Jesus resurrected the 1st ,2nd etc When ?
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He was resurrected at/about sunset on the Sabbath, exactly as He said He would be...

Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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Why does Jesus say that the church wlil be persecuted ?
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The world will persecute the church because they persecuted Christ. The church however will not be subject to the wrath of God which will come upon the world in the tribulation. The world persecutes the church but God brings judgment upon the world.

For the cause of Christ
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Uh, OK...

"Monday or Sunday first day of the week?

The first day of the week varies all over the world. In most cultures, Sunday is regarded as the first day of the week although many observe Monday as the first day of the week. According to the Bible, the Sabbath or Saturday is the last day of the week which marks Sunday as the first day of the week for many Jewish and Christian faiths, while many countries regard Monday as the first day of the week.

According to the international standard ISO 8601, Monday is the first day of the week ending with Sunday as the seventh day of the week. Although this is the international standard, countries such as the United States still have their calendars refer to Sunday as the start of the seven-day week." - The seven-day week
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The world uses Monday as the first day of the work week and the church uses Sunday as the first day of the worship week.

In any event there is little profit in regarding one day of the week above another. Some worship Saturday as the Sabbath supposing it to be for righteousness. Righteousness comes from God not from the day of the week.

For the cause of Christ
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notuptome said:
The world uses Monday as the first day of the work week and the church uses Sunday as the first day of the worship week.

In any event there is little profit in regarding one day of the week above another. Some worship Saturday as the Sabbath supposing it to be for righteousness. Righteousness comes from God not from the day of the week.

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Well alrighty then...

Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
 
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Well alrighty then...

Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
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The law does not make one righteous. The law only declares ones sinfulness.

The apostles dealt with this matter in Acts 15. Abstain from idols and fornication etc. There is no righteousness in Sabbath keeping only self righteousness.

By Gods grace we are made righteous in Christ. Righteousness is imputed not merited. 2 Corinthians 5:21 That does not give liberty to profane but it does determine that righteousness if of God and Christ not man.

For the cause of Christ
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john832 said:
Well, I am not saying that January is not the first month...

Exo 12:2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you.

The Designer and Creator of days, weeks, months and years says this.
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Then why do men say that January is the first month ?

Why do Christians even believe this then ?

Are they following the beast Anti Christ and do not know ?
 
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notuptome said:
The law does not make one righteous. The law only declares ones sinfulness.

The apostles dealt with this matter in Acts 15. Abstain from idols and fornication etc. There is no righteousness in Sabbath keeping only self righteousness.

By Gods grace we are made righteous in Christ. Righteousness is imputed not merited. 2 Corinthians 5:21 That does not give liberty to profane but it does determine that righteousness if of God and Christ not man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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We are not discussing the Law making one righteous, we are discussing the changing of the seventh day to the sixth day. That is the implication of a changing "laws and times".

As far as Acts 15 dealing with the issue, c'mon, murder is not prohibited in the Acts 15 edict for Gentiles. That statement is smoke and mirrors in this discussion.

Liberty is not liberty to violate the Ten Commandments.
 
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john832 said:
He was resurrected at/about sunset on the Sabbath, exactly as He said He would be...

Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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So He was not resurrected on the first day which is Sunday ? Wow
 
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So He was not resurrected on the first day which is Sunday ? Wow
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Don't act surprised, you know perfectly what three days and three nights is my friend. LOL.
 
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notuptome said:
The world uses Monday as the first day of the work week and the church uses Sunday as the first day of the worship week.

In any event there is little profit in regarding one day of the week above another. Some worship Saturday as the Sabbath supposing it to be for righteousness. Righteousness comes from God not from the day of the week.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Why do majority of people go to church on a Sunday ? Where did it originate ?

I dont want to know about sabbath but just where did sunday worship originate from ? What thinkesth thou ?
 
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Don't act surprised, you know perfectly what three days and three nights is my friend. LOL.
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I thought Jesus was killed on a Friday before the sabbath
 
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notuptome said:
The world will persecute the church because they persecuted Christ. The church however will not be subject to the wrath of God which will come upon the world in the tribulation. The world persecutes the church but God brings judgment upon the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Why was Israel left in Goshen and not taken to heaven ?

What are your thought on this verse

Who is the woman ?

Where did She fled ?

[h=1]Revelation 12:1-6King James Version (KJV)[/h]12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
 
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Why do majority of people go to church on a Sunday ? Where did it originate ?

I dont want to know about sabbath but just where did sunday worship originate from ? What thinkesth thou ?
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On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor (see Constantine I and Christianity),
decreed that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest:

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.

In 363, Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea prohibited observance of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday),
and encouraged Christians to work on the Saturday and rest on the Lord's Day (Sunday).
 
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We are not discussing the Law making one righteous, we are discussing the changing of the seventh day to the sixth day. That is the implication of a changing "laws and times".

As far as Acts 15 dealing with the issue, c'mon, murder is not prohibited in the Acts 15 edict for Gentiles. That statement is smoke and mirrors in this discussion.

Liberty is not liberty to violate the Ten Commandments.
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There is no liberty in the law. There is no righteousness in the law only obligation.

Since we cannot change the times or the seasons all we are examining is the observance thereof. You are endeavoring to create some observance of the seventh day over the first day to create righteousness. That is where Acts 15 puts religious observance into perspective.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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