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"The old cross slew men; the new cross entertains them. The old
cross condemned; the new cross amuses. The old cross destroyed
confidence in the flesh; the new cross encourages it."
A.W Tozer

"The one thing that is said to have suprised God is that the voice of
intercession had ceased. 'And he saw that there was no man, and
wondered thatthere was no intercessor' (Isaiah 59:16)."
- Samuel Chadwick

"There is nothing so permanent as a short-term compromise."
- Ron Bailey

"Oh to fully realize the littleness of time and greatness of
eternity!" - Thomas Chalmers

"When you're safe on eternity's shore will you wish you could live
your life o'er? When He asks for the fruit of your labors will you
offer Him idle hands?"
-anonymous

"Half a dozen men on their knees for 60 minutes waiting upon the Lord
with the absolute conviction that they have no answer, that their
human ideas and programmes are ineffective and bankrupt - they will
accomplish more than 50 men around a table discussing problems
for a whole year." -- Alan Redpath
 
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MidniteWelder

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The world does not believe the bible, and the church does not obey it.

The early church was married to poverty prison and persecutions,
Today the church is married to prosperity, personality, and popularity

People claim they want the Love of Christ, yet If Jesus preached the same message that Pastors preach today...
He would have never been crucified!

Many Pastors criticize me for taking the Gospel too seriously, but do they really think that on Judgement day Christ will chastise me saying...Leonard you took Me too seriously.

David had one of the most blessed experiences in the world, and the blessedness was that he was miserable about his sin.
The world has gotten all too comfortable in its sin.

When there's something in the bible the Church doesn't like, they call it legalism

Fifty years ago, you never heard of a divorce in the Christian church.
You never even heard of marriage counseling in the church... We're putting up with sin in the church.


~Leonard Ravenhill
 

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Just read all my past posts. :pLOL :rolleyes:ROTFL:D COL :cool:ROTFC:eek:
 
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The world does not believe the bible, and the church does not obey it.

The early church was married to poverty prison and persecutions,
Today the church is married to prosperity, personality, and popularity

People claim they want the Love of Christ, yet If Jesus preached the same message that Pastors preach today...
He would have never been crucified!

Many Pastors criticize me for taking the Gospel too seriously, but do they really think that on Judgement day Christ will chastise me saying...Leonard you took Me too seriously.

David had one of the most blessed experiences in the world, and the blessedness was that he was miserable about his sin.
The world has gotten all too comfortable in its sin.

When there's something in the bible the Church doesn't like, they call it legalism

Fifty years ago, you never heard of a divorce in the Christian church.
You never even heard of marriage counseling in the church... We're putting up with sin in the church.


~Leonard Ravenhill
No, I don't think the Lord will think you took him too seriously, but I will suspect the Lord will ask if you ever understood that you were the righteousness of God in him and why you chose to stay yoked under the sin consciousness, which is all about self righteousness and not understanding that its all about what he did and not what you do to try to attain righteousness. It was imputed upon you the moment you were saved.

When you fully understand you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, the yoke of sin consciousness is destroyed and you are liberated. When you miss it as we all will, you ask forgiveness and move out, you don't dwell on what to do to enter into position again because you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and you never lose that position.

Maybe if you screamed how righteous God has made you instead of pointing out the sin you seem so beset by you would actually be liberated instead of bound by what you think you must proclaim.
 
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The_highwayman

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The world does not believe the bible, and the church does not obey it.

The early church was married to poverty prison and persecutions,
Today the church is married to prosperity, personality, and popularity

People claim they want the Love of Christ, yet If Jesus preached the same message that Pastors preach today...
He would have never been crucified!

Many Pastors criticize me for taking the Gospel too seriously, but do they really think that on Judgement day Christ will chastise me saying...Leonard you took Me too seriously.

David had one of the most blessed experiences in the world, and the blessedness was that he was miserable about his sin.
The world has gotten all too comfortable in its sin.

When there's something in the bible the Church doesn't like, they call it legalism

Fifty years ago, you never heard of a divorce in the Christian church.
You never even heard of marriage counseling in the church... We're putting up with sin in the church.


~Leonard Ravenhill
Funny you mention nobody believes the Bible anymore, because you statements prove you don't either. The Bible states we are the righteousness of God in Him....Him being Jesus Christ.

Stopping telling people the gospel is about being miserable in Sin. David was miserable in his sins only because he was not part of the new covenant and could NOT partake in divine nature, he had no understanding of the new covenant and that he was made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. David, Like Abraham was made righteous through his faith, not by the redemptive work of the cross you and I received. Wisdom would suggest you stop using David as an example for your theology and stick to the new Testament and especially the Epistles, when talking/preaching or teaching about SIN and righteousness.

The Epistles tell us what happened at and after the cross. When you use the OT and talk/preach or teach about SIN you mislead people. By using David as an example of new covenant redemption, you are taking the word out of complete context and prove, you do not believe the Bible. You are leading many into bondage of sin consciousness, instead of liberating them through the fact they and you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

NOthing you can do own your own terms can substitute or deliver what Jesus did at the cross....all your efforts are self righteousness, not imputed righteousness...and God already made you his righteousness in Christ Jesus.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Funny you mention nobody believes the Bible anymore, because you statements prove you don't either. The Bible states we are the righteousness of God in Him....Him being Jesus Christ.

Stopping telling people the gospel is about being miserable in Sin. David was miserable in his sins only because he was not part of the new covenant and could NOT partake in divine nature, he had no understanding of the new covenant and that he was made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. David, Like Abraham was made righteous through his faith, not by the redemptive work of the cross you and I received. Wisdom would suggest you stop using David as an example for your theology and stick to the new Testament and especially the Epistles, when talking/preaching or teaching about SIN and righteousness.

The Epistles tell us what happened at and after the cross. When you use the OT and talk/preach or teach about SIN you mislead people. By using David as an example of new covenant redemption, you are taking the word out of complete context and prove, you do not believe the Bible. You are leading many into bondage of sin consciousness, instead of liberating them through the fact they and you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

NOthing you can do own your own terms can substitute or deliver what Jesus did at the cross....all your efforts are self righteousness, not imputed righteousness...and God already made you his righteousness in Christ Jesus.
Those are all quotes by a well renowned pastor named
Leonard Ravenhill.
I like them because they bear witness, and conviction.
I can relate to them for having experienced them.


I do agree with you that it is not our work which can save us.
Not going back to the law as a means of salvation, but had we not been informed we are unworthy of salvation due to sin, well then we would have no need for Christ...Correct?
If our sin is of no consequence, then why Did Christ have to die for it?
Our sin has been revealed and light brought into our own darkness after coming to know Christ.
Why?
To purge it out of our very soul.
Not to mix with it like oil and water.
It is what we do, tolerate, and say...that we shall be judged by...correct?
Even after the gift of salvation there is still judgement, even if no condemnation
Is this not enough to convict our own conscious to not tolerate that which we know upsets the Lord we claim to serve.
Yet then turn right around and put more effort into serving ourselves, even after one has come to Christ and sacrificed themselves as a living sacrifice to him?
How do you know when that has happened?

I challenge you and encourage you to do so. A living sacrifice to the Lord.
He said to follow him right. More than our own dreams and wants and ambitions.
Not that I myself am better, not that I am more righteous because of any act or work.
Not that I am more of a sinner if I do not do as many works as you if you already are aware of these things.
But that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than to settle for one of lower excellence.
God has made us capable of this by yes, his righteousness manifest within us through the Holy Spirit of Truth.

But realizing that sin, any sin, which drives a wedge in order to separate us from God in any way.
If we tolerate that, justify it, excuse it within ourselves, how much more do we tolerate the same in the body of Christ.

Christ didn't come only to die for us,
But to also usher us into the new covenant by expanding upon the Lords expectations of us.
Stating that not only don't murder but don't hate
Not only don't commit adultery, but don't look upon another with lust.

Are you seriously suggesting we throw out these important Godly fundamental morals of Christs sermon on the mount and not apply them to our very lives because.....Christ did it all for us and nothing further is required?
I sure hope not.


 
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I believe this was a thread opened to post some great quotes, rather than debate.

"I must decrease, so that He may increase."

Is that better? ;)
That does take SOME effort of our own doesn't it?
A choice, free will, God speaking to our innermost being and us listening.
God didn't force Cain to not murder his brother.
He informed him and counseled him not to and the reasons why.
And then left the choice to him.
When we fully commit ourselves to God, is when God is able to fully move within us.
Paul among many others showed that.
 
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Those are all quotes by a well renowned pastor named
Leonard Ravenhill.
I like them because they bear witness, and conviction.
I can relate to them for having experienced them.


I do agree with you that it is not our work which can save us.
Not going back to the law as a means of salvation, but had we not been informed we are unworthy of salvation due to sin, well then we would have no need for Christ...Correct?
If our sin is of no consequence, then why Did Christ have to die for it?
Our sin has been revealed and light brought into our own darkness after coming to know Christ.
Why?
To purge it out of our very soul.
Not to mix with it like oil and water.
It is what we do, tolerate, and say...that we shall be judged by...correct?
Even after the gift of salvation there is still judgement, even if no condemnation
Is this not enough to convict our own conscious to not tolerate that which we know upsets the Lord we claim to serve.
Yet then turn right around and put more effort into serving ourselves, even after one has come to Christ and sacrificed themselves as a living sacrifice to him?
How do you know when that has happened?

I challenge you and encourage you to do so. A living sacrifice to the Lord.
He said to follow him right. More than our own dreams and wants and ambitions.
Not that I myself am better, not that I am more righteous because of any act or work.
Not that I am more of a sinner if I do not do as many works as you if you already are aware of these things.
But that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than to settle for one of lower excellence.
God has made us capable of this by yes, his righteousness manifest within us through the Holy Spirit of Truth.

But realizing that sin, any sin, which drives a wedge in order to separate us from God in any way.
If we tolerate that, justify it, excuse it within ourselves, how much more do we tolerate the same in the body of Christ.

Christ didn't come only to die for us,
But to also usher us into the new covenant by expanding upon the Lords expectations of us.
Stating that not only don't murder but don't hate
Not only don't commit adultery, but don't look upon another with lust.

Are you seriously suggesting we throw out these important Godly fundamental morals of Christs sermon on the mount and not apply them to our very lives because.....Christ did it all for us and nothing further is required?
I sure hope not.


TO be clear:
I never said we were saved by what we did. I said we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, this is in the Bible,not a cute saying I invented. I also made it clear, it is not anything we do that to earn righteousness or to continue attmepting to obtain it. It is imputed unto as when we are saved, based solely on what Jesus did at the cross and nothing else and nothing takes away that righteousness.


I never said sin has no consequence. In fact, I never brought up that I do not sin, because I do and I never said there was no consequence to SIN, because there is. There is a God and there is a Devil and there is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun.

but had we not been informed we are unworthy of salvation due to sin, well then we would have no need for Christ...Correct?
SO when do you stop counting yourself unworthy?



Our sin has been revealed and light brought into our own darkness after coming to know Christ.Why? To purge it out of our very soul. Not to mix with it like oil and water.
The Bible says the Holy Spirit convicts/reproves the world of sin. [See John 16]

It is what we do, tolerate, and say...that we shall be judged by...correct?
Where in the Bible does it state we are judged by what we tolerate? If that is true God would not have saved Noah.

Even after the gift of salvation there is still judgement, even if no condemnation
Is this not enough to convict our own conscious to not tolerate that which we know upsets the Lord we claim to serve.
Yet then turn right around and put more effort into serving ourselves, even after one has come to Christ and sacrificed themselves as a living sacrifice to him?How do you know when that has happened?
The Bible says there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus...The Bible says to become a living sacrifice by the renewing of your mind...If you don't know when you attain spiritual maturity , then I leave that to you and the Lord.


I challenge you and encourage you to do so.
Not that I myself am better, not that I am more righteous because of any act or work.
Not that I am more of a sinner if I do not do as many works as you if you already are aware of these things.
But that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than to settle for one of lower excellence.
God has made us capable of this by yes, his righteousness manifest within us through the Holy Spirit of Truth.
God did not manifest righteousness to us by the Holy Spirit, the Bible says in 2 Cor 5.21 that we are made the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus, not the Holy Spirit.

You are confusing daily sanctification with obtaining righteousness and the Bible tells you, you are already righteous before God through what Jesus did at the Cross. The Holy Spirit does not impart righteousness, it was imputed to you at the Cross.
Anything you do on your own to try to obtain righteousness, is self righteousness and not needed, because Jesus did it all.

But realizing that sin, any sin, which drives a wedge in order to separate us from God in any way.
If we tolerate that, justify it, excuse it within ourselves, how much more do we tolerate the same in the body of Christ
Where in the Bible does it say you fall out of righteousness with the Father if you tolerate or excuse SIN? Furthermore, the Bible defines SIN and the SIN cycle in Gen 3, James 1 and 1 John 2.

Most of what the body calls SIN, is not SIN, because the 3 passages above clearly tell us and show us that SIN is a CHOICE, not an act of commission or omission. Simply put, SIN is a CHOICE you make, not an act you cower and run from, because you just cannot help yourself.


Christ didn't come only to die for us,
But to also usher us into the new covenant by expanding upon the Lords expectations of us.
Stating that not only don't murder but don't hate
Not only don't commit adultery, but don't look upon another with lust.

Are you seriously suggesting we throw out these important Godly fundamental morals of Christs sermon on the mount and not apply them to our very lives because.....Christ did it all for us and nothing further is required?
I sure hope not.
I am not saying anything like you are suggesting. I am telling you what the Bible says about our righteousness and when you come to understand this foundational Biblical truth you will never let the sin consciousness beset you again. Before you jump like a frog, study up on what the sin consciousness is. I t does not mean we will ever be without SIN, it is quite the contrary.

But understanding righteousness will allow everything else to fall into place.
 

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"Among religious writings the Bible is unique in its attitude to its great men. Even many Christian biographies puff up the men they describe. But the Bible exhibits the whole man, so much so that it is almost embarrassing at times. If we would teach our children to read the Bible truly, it would be a good vaccination against cynical realism from the non-Christian side, because the Bible portrays its characters as honestly as any debunker or modern cynic ever could.”
― Francis Schaeffer
 
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The self-righteous never apologize
 
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Powemm

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Every time we throw dirt.. we lose ground
 
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Powemm

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Ground inspection is important... if I am able to pick up any dirt and throw it, its a sure sign i myself, am not standing on solid ground... boulders in your pocket weigh you down.. always better to travel light.
 
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The_highwayman

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I believe this was a thread opened to post some great quotes, rather than debate.

"I must decrease, so that He may increase."

Is that better? ;)
That does take SOME effort of our own doesn't it?
A choice, free will, God speaking to our innermost being and us listening.
God didn't force Cain to not murder his brother.
He informed him and counseled him not to and the reasons why.
And then left the choice to him.
When we fully commit ourselves to God, is when God is able to fully move within us.
Paul among many others showed that.
In proper context, John was telling his own followers that his ministry was decreasing so that Jesus could increase his own ministry.

It is obvious you are not going to let proper context get in the way of you theology...
 
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MidniteWelder

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I understand, and thank you for clarifying the context of the quote.
May I ask if you understand the context of this thread which is
"some great quotes"

"Men give advice...God gives guidance"
 

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"Some christians are spiritual streakers. All they have on is the helmet of salvation."
 
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"The 'thought-action distinction' only exists in psychology."
~ellie

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MidniteWelder

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Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God.
As well, people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there.
The gospel is not a way to get people to heaven; it is a way to get people to God.
It's a way of overcoming every obstacle to everlasting joy in God. If we don't want God above all things, we have not been converted by the gospel
 
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sorry...i tend to be a bit arcane in my reading...thinking...talking... :rolleyes:

if you go to a psychologist and say 'i want to kill my wife', he'll say, 'as long as you don't do it, it's okay'.

it's what they call the thought-action distinction.

but Jesus said something quite different.