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MaggieMye

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A man, fully able to work, divorced, has a son, but works only 2 nights a week so that he can receive Gov. subsidies. He gets food stamps, low housing, and other Welfare nice-ities. This man is fully able to work a full time job. IMO, this man is sinning. He is not providing for his family, but is scamming the Gov so he can loaf around, sleep in, and no have to be responsible. This same man, claims to be a minister of the Word, goes on 'missionary trips' without the support or approval of any church or grounded ministry. Therefore he is not held accountable by anyone for what he does or how he does his 'ministry'.
Thoughts?

Maggie
 
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A man, fully able to work, divorced, has a son, but works only 2 nights a week so that he can receive Gov. subsidies. He gets food stamps, low housing, and other Welfare nice-ities. This man is fully able to work a full time job. IMO, this man is sinning. He is not providing for his family, but is scamming the Gov so he can loaf around, sleep in, and no have to be responsible. This same man, claims to be a minister of the Word, goes on 'missionary trips' without the support or approval of any church or grounded ministry. Therefore he is not held accountable by anyone for what he does or how he does his 'ministry'.
Thoughts?

Maggie
Well he probably believe in a salvation message where you confess, trust and receive. A message where he thinks Jesus paid his sin debt and thus it is not owed any more. A message where if he simply "trusts in Jesus" he'll enter the kingdom because "it is not of works" and any notion that he actually has to forsake evil and yield himself to righteousness to him is likely absurd.

So what do I think? The man is a hypocrite false teacher whom is totally deceived. No true true minister of the word of God is irresponsible.

There were religious ministers back in the time of Jesus too...

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
 
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Not to mention socialism is legalised theft and by partaking in it, especially when capable of working, he is simply taking advantage of the thieving conducted by the state. In effect he is appropriating the limited life time of others to himself which at its root is what theft is.

Why steal from your neighbour directly when the state can do it on your behalf?
 
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kaylagrl

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I'd say you need to report him.This is why a lot of people think gov't help should be for a limited time.Way too many people are robbing the people of this country,he's not robbing the gov't but his fellow hard working citizens.The Bible says if you don't work {if you are able} you don't eat.Plain and simple.He is no "minister" of the Word".It doesn't matter what he thinks.God disagrees.He is %100 wrong!! And until he stops robbing hard working citizens God will not condone a thing he does,even if he claims to be a minister of the gospel!
 

Billyd

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A man, fully able to work, divorced, has a son, but works only 2 nights a week so that he can receive Gov. subsidies. He gets food stamps, low housing, and other Welfare nice-ities. This man is fully able to work a full time job. IMO, this man is sinning. He is not providing for his family, but is scamming the Gov so he can loaf around, sleep in, and no have to be responsible. This same man, claims to be a minister of the Word, goes on 'missionary trips' without the support or approval of any church or grounded ministry. Therefore he is not held accountable by anyone for what he does or how he does his 'ministry'.
Thoughts?

Maggie
IMHO, he appears to be a minister of the gospel of the government, not a minister of the Gospel of Christ.
 

jogoldie

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I have no respect for those who take advantage of the system.........however this is his walk with God
and the Word tells us that this mans sin will be delt with....... by God.......this man needs prayer......and must
answer for his actions and teachings.......its the same as giving to the homeless who takes charity and
uses the money for drugs.......does this mean we dont give to people because we are afraid of what they
will spend it on......no.....God will sort this out and he will be corrected by Him........jo
 

Joidevivre

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How can I judge when I have not heard this man's side? Some things aren't what they seem.
 
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johnbragg

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Gal 6:7-8. 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
 

gb9

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well, sadly this kind of garbage happens everyday in every state here in the country. people like this are one of the main reasons this country is in the shape it is in. not to mention he his sinning by deceit.
 
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Kaycie

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Only God knows the thoughts and intentions of the heart, and He is able to see and know all things about a person, and what their capabilities are. If you think he is sinning, don't just think so, say so- to HIM, don't gossip. In a loving, gentle way feed him scripture. Sin separates us from God, so if you think he is in spiritual danger, have compassion on his soul and feed him the antidote- love and scripture. But as for you, you're in danger girl! Cause it sounds to me like you are having issues with judging and forgiveness. Only God can judge a soul. God says, "Who are you to judge another man's servant?" I have been falsely accused myself, and at times rightly accused, but you know what? The only way the accusations effected those who were accusing me is that it put their salvation at risk. We are to judge between right and wrong, but we are not to judge someone's soul. Doing so harms you, and discourages your brother instead of encourages him- which is what we are supposed to do. You are the cheerleader- not the referee.
 

gb9

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I don't think it is judging his soul to say what he is doing on the outside is wrong. Paul lists deceit as a sin a few times. based on what was said, this is deceit.
 
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kaylagrl

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Only God knows the thoughts and intentions of the heart, and He is able to see and know all things about a person, and what their capabilities are. If you think he is sinning, don't just think so, say so- to HIM, don't gossip. In a loving, gentle way feed him scripture. Sin separates us from God, so if you think he is in spiritual danger, have compassion on his soul and feed him the antidote- love and scripture. But as for you, you're in danger girl! Cause it sounds to me like you are having issues with judging and forgiveness. Only God can judge a soul. God says, "Who are you to judge another man's servant?" I have been falsely accused myself, and at times rightly accused, but you know what? The only way the accusations effected those who were accusing me is that it put their salvation at risk. We are to judge between right and wrong, but we are not to judge someone's soul. Doing so harms you, and discourages your brother instead of encourages him- which is what we are supposed to do. You are the cheerleader- not the referee.

I dont think the OP judged anyones soul nor judged anyone at all.She thinks what the person is doing is wrong, which it is,and that is not judging but stating a fact.I dont think it is gossiping either because she is stating a fact about the person and asking our opinion.She may be checking to see if she is right before she goes to the person. JMO
 
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sassylady

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Here in Michigan you have to work 40 hours a week to get help, if you still qualify for any on what you make. I don't know how he gets away with that.
 

Joidevivre

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She may be checking to see if she is right before she goes to the person. JMO

I think the person to check with is the Lord - not us. We aren't that knowledgeable of all the facts.
 

crossnote

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Gal 6:7-8. 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spiit will reap eternal life.
I was just about to post the same passage.
 

crossnote

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Here in Michigan you have to work 40 hours a week to get help, if you still qualify for any on what you make. I don't know how he gets away with that.
Was that policy instituted after Detroit went broke?
 
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I'd say you need to report him.This is why a lot of people think gov't help should be for a limited time.Way too many people are robbing the people of this country,he's not robbing the gov't but his fellow hard working citizens.The Bible says if you don't work {if you are able} you don't eat.Plain and simple.He is no "minister" of the Word".It doesn't matter what he thinks.God disagrees.He is %100 wrong!! And until he stops robbing hard working citizens God will not condone a thing he does,even if he claims to be a minister of the gospel!
Here that man seemed reported, denounced and, perhaps, envied? :confused:
 

notuptome

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Scripture says that a man who will not provide for his family is worse than an infidel.

Hard to figure why he might be divorced. :)

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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elf3

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A man, fully able to work, divorced, has a son, but works only 2 nights a week so that he can receive Gov. subsidies. He gets food stamps, low housing, and other Welfare nice-ities. This man is fully able to work a full time job. IMO, this man is sinning. He is not providing for his family, but is scamming the Gov so he can loaf around, sleep in, and no have to be responsible. This same man, claims to be a minister of the Word, goes on 'missionary trips' without the support or approval of any church or grounded ministry. Therefore he is not held accountable by anyone for what he does or how he does his 'ministry'.
Thoughts?

Maggie
I am gonna take this from the view of this being a "hypothetical" question as we only hear one view.

I filed for disability back in Feb of 2013. I have not worked since Nov 2012. I was initially "laid off" because my arthritis was so bad the company said I couldn't do my full job in HVAC installation. (Yeah it took me 4 months of others telling me I needed to file for me to drop my pride and file). Now I know I can't work a 40hr job because of my arthritis but I wish I could. Once I get my disability I will work as much as I am capable due to my arthritis.

One reason it has taken so long thus far is because of those "using" the system. Personally I feel that if you are capable of working then you should work. Saying I am a "missionary of God" to get out of working is using God as an excuse not to work.

I personally know many people who go on mission trips through the year and still work full time jobs. They use their vacation time for the trips and they raise their own money to support the trip.

Please take this as my own opinion and not from a judgemental point of view either. Also remember I was using the OP as a "hypothetical" question.
 

Test_F_i_2_Luv

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If the situation is accurate as described, 2 Thes 3 comes to mind...

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread. But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good. -2 Thes 3:6-13