Can I Know I'm Born Again?

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"Am I saved? Am I born again? Can I be sure? If so, how?"

When I was young, I used to go around and around asking myself these questions. I would get on my knees and ask God, with whom I felt no connection at the time. I knew that Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" in John 3:7. I wanted to be sure I was.

I know that we here at CC have lots of doctrinal discussion and can often get into some gray areas that are still mysteries and not fully understood. Just thought that we should make a thread to establish whether or not we could be sure, and don't have to be worried about, whether we are going to heaven or hell if we should die before we wake.

Try to start with a 'yes' or 'no' and elaborate from there. Try to address the person that may wander through here seeking peace and blessed assurance.
Romans 6:6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
 
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I would say anyone who answers this question with "I know how to be saved", probably needs to look at their conversion. Just because you know how to get saved, does not mean you are saved, any more than i know how to get to Chicago, means I am in Chicago. 1 john is written so that you may know, God wants you to know if your His child, He doesn't want you wondering or fretting about if you are or your not.


If you talk with someone, on here we get a few, who are unsure point them towards 1 John, and have them journal through it, they will either find out that they are not saved - and hopefully come to salvation, or they will discover they are saved and that their doubt is gone
 

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1st Peter 1:23 Being BORN again, not of corruptible seed, (but of incorruptible), by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.......
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I still see us as begotten , not yet born. like a baby in the womb.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

john832

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1st Peter 1:23 Being BORN again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.......
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word used here for "Being born again" is:
G313

ἀναγεννάω
anagennaō
an-ag-en-nah'-o
From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again): - beget, (bear) X again.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

It means begettal, not birth. If you don't understand the difference, ask your wife, if she has had children, she will make it very clear to you there is a BIG difference.
 
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john832

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52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I still see us as begotten , not yet born. like a baby in the womb.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

You are absolutely correct. If one thinks they are born again, read this...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now if one thinks they, as humans, cannot sin...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 

notuptome

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You are absolutely correct. If one thinks they are born again, read this...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now if one thinks they, as humans, cannot sin...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Are you using this as an excuse for not being born again? What is your problem?

One is born again the moment they accept Christ as Savior. It is a Spiritual birth not a physical birth. The new creature in Christ now is growing and maturing in the knowledge of Christ and God. The old creature continues to war against the new creature competing for preeminence. One does not wait until death or the resurrection to be born again. It is entirely too late at death and one will not have a part in the resurrection unto eternal life if they are not born again before they die.

The new creature is sinless before God being covered in the atoning blood of Christ. The old creature groans awaiting the redemption of the body. Nevertheless the new birth is today and the resurrection is in the future but is no less certain as if it occurred today. God alone sees the end from the beginning in that He inhabits eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I still see us as begotten , not yet born. like a baby in the womb.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Except a man be BORN AGAIN he cannot see nor perceive the Kingdom of God.......Where did Jesus say the kingdom is? I agree it comes to fruition at the time appointed in the scriptures you posted....AS A NEWBORN BABE desires the sincere milk of the word that you may grow THEREBY and MEAT belongeth to them that are of full age....

MAYBE we are both right.....
 
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You are absolutely correct. If one thinks they are born again, read this...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now if one thinks they, as humans, cannot sin...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Except a man be born again he cannot see nor perceive the kingdom of God...

AS A NEWBORN babe
desires the SINCERE milk of the word that he may grow thereby......

Meat belongth to them that are of full age...! <---matured after growing by the sincere milk of the word from a NEW BORN babe to a mature servant of God!
 

prove-all

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6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:

wind is invisible, you can not see it.

so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

if you where born again you would be an invisible spirit.

we are begotten not yet born, still growing from that seed he planted in you

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


 

john832

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Are you using this as an excuse for not being born again? What is your problem?

One is born again the moment they accept Christ as Savior. It is a Spiritual birth not a physical birth. The new creature in Christ now is growing and maturing in the knowledge of Christ and God. The old creature continues to war against the new creature competing for preeminence. One does not wait until death or the resurrection to be born again. It is entirely too late at death and one will not have a part in the resurrection unto eternal life if they are not born again before they die.

The new creature is sinless before God being covered in the atoning blood of Christ. The old creature groans awaiting the redemption of the body. Nevertheless the new birth is today and the resurrection is in the future but is no less certain as if it occurred today. God alone sees the end from the beginning in that He inhabits eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You don't seem to understand the difference between conception and birth.

Your born again are you?

Are you invisible?

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

To be born of the spirit is made plain in this passage...

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

I don't have a spiritual body yet, do you?

Have you been made alive? If so when?

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul says that we are made alive AT CHRIST'S COMING.
 

john832

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Except a man be BORN AGAIN he cannot see nor perceive the Kingdom of God.......Where did Jesus say the kingdom is? I agree it comes to fruition at the time appointed in the scriptures you posted....AS A NEWBORN BABE desires the sincere milk of the word that you may grow THEREBY and MEAT belongeth to them that are of full age....

MAYBE we are both right.....
We are begotten and as good as in the Kingdom, but we have not been BORN into the Kingdom. We cannot enter the Kingdom as long as we are fleshly and physical...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

As long as we have flesh that is subject to decay, we cannot enter the Kingdom. We enter the Kingdom at the resurrection...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 

john832

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6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:

wind is invisible, you can not see it.

so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

if you where born again you would be an invisible spirit.

we are begotten not yet born, still growing from that seed he planted in you

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


You have it absolutely correct prove-all my friend.
 
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Can you be born again and not know?
 
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Romans 1:1-6

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
 

notuptome

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You don't seem to understand the difference between conception and birth.

Your born again are you?

Are you invisible?

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

To be born of the spirit is made plain in this passage...

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

I don't have a spiritual body yet, do you?

Have you been made alive? If so when?

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul says that we are made alive AT CHRIST'S COMING.
These things are foolishness to you. Demonstrating that you lack the Holy Spirit's presence in your heart.

I am born again and I walk in newness of life. I walk in the Light as He is in the Light.

My conception was before the world was made. My birth was when I called upon Christ to save me from my sins.

Your mocking only highlights your destitute estate.

The invisible part of me is alive unto Christ only my earthly body awaits redemption and His coming. Then the physical part which you see now will be changed like unto His glorified body.

Get with the program and trust Christ today. Don't wait until it's too late and you are dead in the grave.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Can you be born again and not know?
Seems very unlikely since something as big as the devil goes out and something as big as God come in. It would be hard to miss so great a change. You must ask for God will not save you against your will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger