Is the God of Islam...God?

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Is the God Muslims pray to really God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • No

    Votes: 27 51.9%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • No, and it is Satan/Demons/Idols they pray to

    Votes: 16 30.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Total voters
    52

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Seriously? I don't give a flying fig what the Pope believes/allows/says. I care what Christ said/says.
Are flying figs a delicacy down Australia way? lol
 
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Seriously? I don't give a flying fig what the Pope believes/allows/says. I care what Christ said/says.
HAHAH flying fig that was funny and I agree......HAHAHHA still laughing hahha!
 
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Are flying figs a delicacy down Australia way? lol
HAHA don't know about that, but Mackers and Red Rooster seem to be the places to eat just West of Sydney HAHAH I just got back from a 10 day trip to the land down under and loved it and the people...talk about a change...was 42 C. 104 F the day before I left and flew into St. Louis and am about to freeze with it being -12 C. here right now!
 
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HAHA don't know about that, but Mackers and Red Rooster seem to be the places to eat just West of Sydney HAHAH I just got back from a 10 day trip to the land down under and loved it and the people...talk about a change...was 42 C. 104 F the day before I left and flew into St. Louis and am about to freeze with it being -12 C. here right now!
Yeah, sorry about the hot weather. It's pretty rough at times as we draw closer to Summer. Was it at least a dry heat? Because 42C is nasty enough as is. I hope your body didn't go through too shock acclimatising.
 
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Yeah, sorry about the hot weather. It's pretty rough at times as we draw closer to Summer. Was it at least a dry heat? Because 42C is nasty enough as is. I hope your body didn't go through too shock acclimatising.
Yeah it was all good and (no worries) as it gets that hot here sometimes in the summer but with high humidity....it was a good dry heat and was only one day as the rest of the time the weather was mid 20's to low 30's and actually had to wear a (jumper) a few days that I was there......really enjoyed the land down under and the people were all very friendly....loved the vegetation as well and the Jacaranda Trees (spelling) and I look forward to coming down again soon.....like they say down under....No worries mate! :)
 
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So........ There are 2 God's now? If so then who made the "Muslim," The Lord or Allah?
 

Jackson123

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So........ There are 2 God's now? If so then who made the "Muslim," The Lord or Allah?


God by definition the one that being worship is a lot.

Muslim worship Allah. not adore YAHWEH. So when Catholic say Muslim and catholic adore the same god, it mean Allah.
 
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God by definition the one that being worship is a lot.

Muslim worship Allah. not adore YAHWEH. So when Catholic say Muslim and catholic adore the same god, it mean Allah.
There is only one God, who made both men. Allah simply means God.
 

Jackson123

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There is only one God, who made both men. Allah simply means God.
If Allah mean god, the one that worship allah must worship Jesus as a god. Muslim didn't worship Jesus. Mean his Allah not instruct them to worship Jesus, mean his Allah is not the same God of Abraham.
 
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If Allah mean god, the one that worship allah must worship Jesus as a god. Muslim didn't worship Jesus. Mean his Allah not instruct them to worship Jesus, mean his Allah is not the same God of Abraham.
That's the problem. Jesus didn't ask anyone to worship Him. He has a Father which is Spirit. And if ANY man love his neighbor as himself, then he shows the love of Christ in his heart. That's what it means to follow Christ.
 

Jackson123

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That's the problem. Jesus didn't ask anyone to worship Him. He has a Father which is Spirit. And if ANY man love his neighbor as himself, then he shows the love of Christ in his heart. That's what it means to follow Christ.
Islam does not recognize Jesus as a God Jesus said that to deny him before men will be denied before the Father

Branch can't bear fruit of itself, no body able to produce agape love without abide in Jesus. It is impossible for a man show agape love to other before submit himself to Jesus.
 

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HAHA don't know about that, but Mackers and Red Rooster seem to be the places to eat just West of Sydney HAHAH I just got back from a 10 day trip to the land down under and loved it and the people...talk about a change...was 42 C. 104 F the day before I left and flew into St. Louis and am about to freeze with it being -12 C. here right now!
Its MACAS LOL
 

Ella85

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Is the golden calf the true god?

What is a "true god?



John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 

Zmouth

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So........ There are 2 God's now? If so then who made the "Muslim," The Lord or Allah?
No, according to the trinitarians of there are three distinct

237. "The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the 'mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God'. [Dei Filius 4: DS 3015.] To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit."253. "The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the 'consubstantial Trinity'. [Council of Constantinople II (553): DS 421.] The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: 'The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God.' [Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:26.] In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), 'Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.' [Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.]"

Another way to look at the trinity is the OT, NT and Quran The old testament is the Father perception, the new testament is the Son's perception and the Quran is the Holy Spirit's perception. And essentially they all are based upon the Word of a Prophet, Moses the Prophet of Old Testament, Justus the Prophet of the New Testament, and Muhammad the Prophet of the Quran. So each are based upon the Biblical account of Genesis [Which I hold myself as being the true principles of the origin that first must have been the massless body of space referred unto as heaven, then the particles of mass which form and thus referred as earth and so on and so forth.

You can notice that they all have to have no internal cognitive perception of God but that which they obtain from a book and in such they can eloquently articulate their beliefs seemingly without end, yet ask them a question regarding their beliefs and they they seemingly dissipate which as Thomas Paine stated, "It is error only, not truth that shrinks from inquiry." Which one might consider bears witness to what is written in 1 Peter 3:15

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
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Zmouth

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Is the golden calf the true god?

What is a "true god?



John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: John 6:44


Sounds like a merry go round...
 
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In chat the other day someone played a video of conspiracy theory type stuff, and one of the things suggested in the video was that to say that the God Muslims believe in is the same as the God Christians believe in is terribly wrong and that it is not the same God.

What are your thoughts?

It struck me that, while two Christian denominations may be a thousand miles apart doctrinally, when they kneel down and pray, it's still the same God, isn't it?
In a similar way, when Jews pray, despite lacking knowledge and belief in Christ, they pray to God. Our God.

So what would suggest that when Muslims pray, they do NOT pray to God, but to something else? Even if their beliefs are... well I'll let you fill in that blank.
Well, it suppose to be referring to the same God because of Ishmael; But every religions has change God to fit to their lifestyle and which we suppose to fit into His. But people love the God that they had created... Don't you know that some people God says that it is okay to drink and be merry, and others believe that it is okay to be fruitful and multiply, and others believe that God wants the woman to obey them only, and that it can't be no mutual understanding in a relationship?
 
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No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: John 6:44


Sounds like a merry go round...
Not a merry go round. The three persons - Father, Son, Spirit are all God. There is only one true God. That's why everything concerning them seems connected. Father, Son, Spirit are all in perfect relationship with one another.
 

Zmouth

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Then show the scripture that says the Father the Son and Holy Spirit are one.