It's the blood of the Lamb

[Word_Swordsman]

It's the dying, not the bleeding - Dying and shedding blood or synonymous in the Bible == I guess there are whole denominations who say there is a pool of Jesus' blood in heaven

Hymn theology I call it, where they are so used to singing hymns they actually start thinking they are scripture. Another reason, I am not a fan of Hymns - Sing to the Lord a new song, avoid hymn theology because it reminds you of a time you used to be close to the Lord - reminiscent

That is not an arbitrary doctrine. It isn't a major one because it is difficult to teach to a congregation, requiring a mini-series of lessons in short time blocks.

It begins with John 20:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

That happened before dawn. Jesus next is recorded as present that evening, appearing to the brethren.

The reason He would not let Mary touch Him is because He was about to finish the work of our eternal High Priest. In Heaven there is the eternal temple that God showed Moses for building the tabernacle. See Exodus. The earthly high priest of the sons of Aaron performed duties that matched what happens in Heaven. The blood of sacrifice was collected from the altar, then taken into the tabernacle and sprinkled over the Ark of the Covenant once a year. Jesus ended all need of that by his own blood, which was not soaked up in the ground. That would have been an abomination among earthly priests. Jesus would not violate a single item of that, completing the task to perfection before Father God in the heavenly temple. To do that He was required to remain purified just like the earthly high priest, even not letting anyone touch him after cleansed and prepared to enter the tabernacle. The gap in time, from morning to evening, is the time Jesus first ascended to the Father. Once done, Jesus could be touched by people that evening. So it is there were two ascensions of Jesus in the same month.

 

[BradC]

What does it mean to "TRUST in the blood of Jesus"? Does that mean DOING what Jesus said, Lk 6:46?

Exercising faith in any of the promises of God is a righteous act (or is doing righteousness), which does not demand any evidence because it is trusting in the trustworthiness of the trustee, the one who promised, and is hoping in what was promised without its fulfillment. No one can add to faith except what we are given in (2 Peter 1:1-11). Jesus said that we are to believe upon the one the Father has sent in order to not perish and have everlasting life. That act of believing IS a righteous work of faith that is trusting in the author of eternal life, which happens to be the Son whom God sent. The cross and the shed blood of the Son (God's Lamb) was a finished work (John 19:30) to be believed upon and not to be worked for. It was a work done on our behalf that we might believe and trust in what Christ accomplished upon it. What was accomplished must be believed upon by faith for God to respond with imputed righteousness. If we respond to the cross in any other way except by faith then we add to the work of the cross with our own merit and make the cross subject to us instead of us being subject to its death, burial and resurrection.

 

[notuptome]

Yes for God will not save the molester while he continues to molest.


A sinner must FIRST stop sinning/stop doing unrighteousness and start doing righteousness, THEN God will forgive them?

There is a way that seems right unto man but the end thereof is death.

Using your unbiblical philosophy one must save himself by works. A man dead in trespass and sin cannot help himself. God must act through quickening by the Holy Spirit or one remains dead. Dead men can do nothing. Don't turn away but come to the Light of truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Hear the Word,repent,believe and receive forgiveness of sins through the blood of the Lamb. One sacrifice for all!

Luke 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Hear the Word,repent,believe and receive forgiveness of sins through the blood of the Lamb! One sacrifice for all!

1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
Look to the cross of Christ and see His baptismal blood that paid for all of our sins! He is all knowing and wise! He reigns! He lives forever! He is our one and only Intercessor,Teacher, Instructor, and Master in righteousness and in all things that pertain to life.
He rules!

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mercy not sacrifice,....... not righteous....... but sinners....... get it?
Hear the Word,repent,believe and receive forgiveness of sins through the blood of the Lamb! One sacrifice for all!

 

[thecreationtutor]

That is not an arbitrary doctrine. It isn't a major one because it is difficult to teach to a congregation, requiring a mini-series of lessons in short time blocks.

It begins with John 20:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

That happened before dawn. Jesus next is recorded as present that evening, appearing to the brethren.

The reason He would not let Mary touch Him is because He was about to finish the work of our eternal High Priest. In Heaven there is the eternal temple that God showed Moses for building the tabernacle. See Exodus. The earthly high priest of the sons of Aaron performed duties that matched what happens in Heaven. The blood of sacrifice was collected from the altar, then taken into the tabernacle and sprinkled over the Ark of the Covenant once a year. Jesus ended all need of that by his own blood, which was not soaked up in the ground. That would have been an abomination among earthly priests. Jesus would not violate a single item of that, completing the task to perfection before Father God in the heavenly temple. To do that He was required to remain purified just like the earthly high priest, even not letting anyone touch him after cleansed and prepared to enter the tabernacle. The gap in time, from morning to evening, is the time Jesus first ascended to the Father. Once done, Jesus could be touched by people that evening. So it is there were two ascensions of Jesus in the same month.

Sorry, Jesus died for all sin past present and future, even for the ones who are not saved - whose sin are they paying for in hell?

This is a made up doctrine of people who responded harshly to John Macarthur - you should probably read that He died once for sin

There isn't an altar of blood in heaven where we over and over again wash our sins - we are washed because of his death, blood as the picture etc


this is probably too short of a reply, but hymns are not Scripture - and i dont' really care enough about this topic to argue

 

[psalm6819]

What does it mean to "TRUST in the blood of Jesus"? Does that mean DOING what Jesus said, Lk 6:46?

Hello SeaBass,

What does it mean to trust in the blood of Jesus? It means to love without bound, to recognize what it was to bear the sin of every single person that ever lived, to become vile, base, read Isaiah 53, to trust that love means, He understands my heart. He sees my intent, He encourages, He defends, He'll NEVER leave me, nothing can separate me from His love. I don't need alist of what not to do, my Bible and the Holy Spirit teach and guide me. That's what trusting Jesus is to me.

What is it you?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Sorry, Jesus died for all sin past present and future, even for the ones who are not saved - whose sin are they paying for in hell?

Thank you for affording me the pleasure of presenting the heart of the gospel of Christ for the sake of the whole world.

Where is that in the Bible, dying for all past sins? Now THAT sounds like a modern hymn thing. If He died for all sins past, then all those folks drowned in the flood are in heaven? How shall they believe on Christ who died wicked? How could anyone under the law 2,000-4,000 years ago have believed on Jesus, or benefited from His blood? They depended upon the blood of animals, not just their death. Their death produced the blood God required. Not a bit of the animal flesh was taken inside their tabernacle, but was burned up.

What I do find concerning sins past is in Romans 3:25-26 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

The people that died and still die each pay for their own rejection of God's provision. That rejection is completed with unbelief unto spiritual death.

The plan of God was first materialized in the wilderness tabernacle of Exodus 25:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

God spoke of a tabernacle not in existence on earth yet while Moses was yet in the 40 year journey around Mt. Sinai, in the barren wilderness. He showed it to Moses a command at a time, revealing the pattern after the heavenly tabernacle. Reading Exodus one comes upon the requirement of the blood of sacrifice. What you said denies most of the Bible. There is no foundation of forgiveness or eternal salvation apart from God's demand on blood He accepts.

This is a made up doctrine of people who responded harshly to John Macarthur - you should probably read that He died once for sin

It is all clearly explained in the book of Hebrews. What I posted earlier is at the heart of Christianity, the very blood of Jesus the only way to satisfy Father God.

There isn't an altar of blood in heaven where we over and over again wash our sins - we are washed because of his death, blood as the picture etc

I agree, else we all have to go to Heaven to be cleansed of sin. That isn't required. What is required is in the scriptures above. Jesus is the propitiation (the lid of the Ark, the atoning victim) that God provided through faith in His blood, nowhere said to be through faith in His death. Some Catholics like to present Jesus still on the cross, dead. That is equivalent to worshipers at the tabernacle adoring the animal ashes instead of trusting that the High Priest was properly presenting the blood before the Ark of the Covenant. That was the pattern God used for the eternal covenant in Christ. The law part was for the Jews, and held over for the law breakers (unrepented sinners, habitual criminals).

this is probably too short of a reply, but hymns are not Scripture - and i dont' really care enough about this topic to argue

You replied to the thread OP, and your post ought to be concerning that. I have replied to your post about that. Again, what I am posting is for the edification of those who believe on the blood of Christ unto salvation. Now believers know the basis of their salvation, the very blood of Jesus which Father God has accepted once and for all who believe upon Jesus the Christ of God. Any other door you attempt to take will only lead to eternal death. I bought an old house once and worked hard to open a locked door in the basement. I couldn't see any sense in a door like that in a basement. Yet I invested much labor in getting through it. Behind that door was a brick wall. Behind it was fill dirt. When the original owner finished the basement walls out to make a living space, they used an old door to help form a pleasant wall mostly made of cedar planks. The dirt fill was to raise the house above the flood plain, making a former ground floor into a basement.

I tell that because I think your theory is like that fill dirt and the fake door. I am not condemning you, but recognize an old thought pattern that did lead to some unscriptural hymns. What was originally thought to be workable was not to survive. The whole foundation of the house required being put on solid ground. Read Hebrews.

I will say many hymns are based on scriptural truth. I hope some day you will hear, then sing along with those hymns and enjoy worshiping the Lord with those.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Exercising faith in any of the promises of God is a righteous act (or is doing righteousness), which does not demand any evidence because it is trusting in the trustworthiness of the trustee, the one who promised, and is hoping in what was promised without its fulfillment. No one can add to faith except what we are given in (2 Peter 1:1-11). Jesus said that we are to believe upon the one the Father has sent in order to not perish and have everlasting life. That act of believing IS a righteous work of faith that is trusting in the author of eternal life, which happens to be the Son whom God sent. The cross and the shed blood of the Son (God's Lamb) was a finished work (John 19:30) to be believed upon and not to be worked for. It was a work done on our behalf that we might believe and trust in what Christ accomplished upon it. What was accomplished must be believed upon by faith for God to respond with imputed righteousness. If we respond to the cross in any other way except by faith then we add to the work of the cross with our own merit and make the cross subject to us instead of us being subject to its death, burial and resurrection.

Somehow I missed your contribution until now. Well said!

For me there is a highest exercise of faith, the most important exercise of any promise of God. That is to have a meeting with Him. If all I have is a religion on earth, with a promise of life in Heaven, then this life is most miserable, like having loved ones around me that won't speak to me. Let not God have that among His children.

There is only one way I can approach the throne of God, and get to that heavenly seat of grace just beyond all the other things of His temple that Moses was shown, when I need His mercy to help again in time of need. That comes around too often to ever rest upon my own cognizance.

Hebrews 4:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

I can't expect much out of faith if I am timid about applying it to anything. My expectations of the promises of God hang on faith. The less bold I am, the less I can realize of them in my life or anyone around me. Lack of the knowledge of God leads to that problem. The bolder I am toward God, acting upon the knowledge He wants me to use, the more faith works for me.

Above all that is the basis of that faith. It is obviously founded upon the blood of Jesus. By that I can come in boldly as a fully justified and welcomed child of God, free to help myself to whatever God has on His table. The Aaronic priests approached with fear and trembling, warned they would not survive the journey inside that tent if there was just one transgression left on their "book". Not so for me. I am confident the blood of Jesus has washed me clean, and it s before God forever for the washing of every sinner who believes and repents. It is powerful to cleanse my past sins as though I never sinned before. I am reminded not to trample it underfoot with deliberate sin, but to trust in it always.

 

[thecreationtutor]

How about, we just start praying individually for sinski7 - if He's God's child - God will go a long way to get him into a place of obedience - Hebrews 12, and believing rightly about Himself

That might be a hospital bed, painful relational conflict, whatever it might be, lets pray that God will get him to that place of submission


I had a friend who kept on going after unsaved guys, she moved away, and about a year or so later i checked up on her, and she was doing the same exact thing! I remember I was so mad at her I prayed - God, if she is Yours, You will not take that or let that fly, into Your hands I commit her to You - do what you need to do.

about a monthly later, she was in NY at a college ministry I used to go to, just happened to go there that night, Now she was living in California, this is why it was crazy. Evidently she was involved in a car wreck she miraculously survived, even the doctors were baffled, her car was demolished.

So I shared with her, that night about what I prayed, and Hebrews 12, - it was crazy!

 

[dcontroversal]

I say that for that is exactly what Paul is saying when he says "put on Christ":


One literally, spiritually puts on Christ. The one who puts on Christ is surrounded by His merits, takes on His identity > He is the Son of God and those in Christ are then identified as sons of God. By being covered by Christ's perfect righteousness then my imperfect righteousness is covered and not seen by God.



I do not agree with Calvinism. Christ's righteousness isNOT imputed-transferred to the sinner nor is the sinner's sins imputed-transferred into Christ. When one OBEDIENTLY is baptized into Christ and puts on Christ, then He is in Christ and in His perfect righteousness, in saving grace. But it takes OBEDIENCE to be in Christ and put on Christ. On the other hand, the Calvinist is simply trying to invent a way to get the sinner in Christ and be righteous WITHOUT that sinner having to do ANY OBEDIENT works at a, as being baptized into Christ and put on Christ. In other words, the Calvinists is trying to find a way to get the sinner in Christ and put on Christ by "faith only" that is void of obedient works. Yet doing nothing (faith only) will never get one in Christ.

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Dude, not only do you contradict yourself, but you have got to be out of your mind.....where do you come up with your heretical views and how is it you are so blind to the truth...oh that's right......not saved yet with no ability to understand the truth....


FOR he hath made him to be SIN FOR US, who knew no sin; that we might be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God in HIM.

So how does YOUR GOOD WORKS jive with your IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS which is a total contradiction of terms?

There is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE.........!

IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS<-----what a farce WOW!

 

[gb9]

Dude, not only do you contradict yourself, but you have got to be out of your mind.....where do you come up with your heretical views and how is it you are so blind to the truth...oh that's right......not saved yet with no ability to understand the truth....


FOR he hath made him to be SIN FOR US, who knew no sin; that we might be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God in HIM.

So how does YOUR GOOD WORKS jive with your IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS which is a total contradiction of terms?

There is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE.........!

IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS<-----what a farce WOW!

yes, it just a shell game with guys. I do but I don't but I kind of do but I really don't etc.. I wonder if they actually read their older posts and see the circles they keep going in.

 

[SeaBass]

Exercising faith in any of the promises of God is a righteous act (or is doing righteousness), which does not demand any evidence because it is trusting in the trustworthiness of the trustee, the one who promised, and is hoping in what was promised without its fulfillment. No one can add to faith except what we are given in (2 Peter 1:1-11). Jesus said that we are to believe upon the one the Father has sent in order to not perish and have everlasting life. That act of believing IS a righteous work of faith that is trusting in the author of eternal life, which happens to be the Son whom God sent. The cross and the shed blood of the Son (God's Lamb) was a finished work (John 19:30) to be believed upon and not to be worked for. It was a work done on our behalf that we might believe and trust in what Christ accomplished upon it. What was accomplished must be believed upon by faith for God to respond with imputed righteousness. If we respond to the cross in any other way except by faith then we add to the work of the cross with our own merit and make the cross subject to us instead of us being subject to its death, burial and resurrection.

One cannot "trust" god without doing what God has said.

1 Tim 4:10 "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach," Why? "because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

Jn 14:15,21; Jn 15:10 one cannot love God without doing God's commands so how can it be said one trusts God without doing His commands? One cannot even call Jesus their "Lord" if they do not do what Jesus said to do.

 

[SeaBass]

There is a way that seems right unto man but the end thereof is death.

Using your unbiblical philosophy one must save himself by works. A man dead in trespass and sin cannot help himself. God must act through quickening by the Holy Spirit or one remains dead. Dead men can do nothing. Don't turn away but come to the Light of truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The wrong way man takes is thinking God will forgive/save man while man CONTINUES to do unrighteousness.


Acts 2:40 save yourselves
1 Tim 4:16 save thyself
1 Pet 1:22 purified your souls
James 4:8 cleanse your hands, purify your hearts
2 Cor 7:1 cleanse ourselves
2 Tim 2:21 if a man purge himself

The bible plainly, clearly teaches a man can save himself. The bible does not teach man can save himself by himself, but man saves himself by doing his role by obeying God-doing righteousness. Man is not totally depraved that he cannot do something for himself. The eunuch was dead in his sins but was able to study trying to find out to whom the prophet spake about. Peter's listeners were lost in Acts 2 as the jailer in Acts 16, but still able to hear understand and ask what they must do to be saved.

 

[SeaBass]

Hello SeaBass,

What does it mean to trust in the blood of Jesus? It means to love without bound, to recognize what it was to bear the sin of every single person that ever lived, to become vile, base, read Isaiah 53, to trust that love means, He understands my heart. He sees my intent, He encourages, He defends, He'll NEVER leave me, nothing can separate me from His love. I don't need alist of what not to do, my Bible and the Holy Spirit teach and guide me. That's what trusting Jesus is to me.

What is it you?

Hi,

To me?

Trust means me doing what Christ has said for me to do to be saved and trusting Christ will keep his word to save all them that obey him, Heb 5:9.

A bible example of trust in God:

Gen 2:22 "And he (God) said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

What kind of trust would Abraham have had if he had not done what God said in offering his only son Isaac? None.

Gen 22:10,12 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.... And he (God) said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."

Abraham's trust in God was in his obedient action.





If trust "means to love without bound" can one love God without doing what God commanded, Jn 14:15,21; Jn 15:10?

 

[notuptome]

The wrong way man takes is thinking God will forgive/save man while man CONTINUES to do unrighteousness.


Acts 2:40 save yourselves
1 Tim 4:16 save thyself
1 Pet 1:22 purified your souls
James 4:8 cleanse your hands, purify your hearts
2 Cor 7:1 cleanse ourselves
2 Tim 2:21 if a man purge himself

The bible plainly, clearly teaches a man can save himself. The bible does not teach man can save himself by himself, but man saves himself by doing his role by obeying God-doing righteousness. Man is not totally depraved that he cannot do something for himself. The eunuch was dead in his sins but was able to study trying to find out to whom the prophet spake about. Peter's listeners were lost in Acts 2 as the jailer in Acts 16, but still able to hear understand and ask what they must do to be saved.

Its all straw man.

You must allow God to be God. Grace far exceeds your expectations. God loves you long before you learn to love Him in return. Christ died for us when we hated and despised Him.

You are still reading into scripture and not reading out of it. More evidence that apart from the Holy Spirit you cannot comprehend what God has provided in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

Dude, not only do you contradict yourself, but you have got to be out of your mind.....where do you come up with your heretical views and how is it you are so blind to the truth...oh that's right......not saved yet with no ability to understand the truth....


FOR he hath made him to be SIN FOR US, who knew no sin; that we might be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God in HIM.

So how does YOUR GOOD WORKS jive with your IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS which is a total contradiction of terms?

There is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE.........!

IMPERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS<-----what a farce WOW!

Gal 3:27 is not "made up" but a biblical fact without baptism one cannot be in Christ nor has put on Christ.

The idea of "put on Christ" is putting on clothes...when I put on a coat then I am IN the coat. When one is baptized he puts one Christ taking on the traits, characteristics of Christ including Christ's righteousness, holiness, etc. I am not perfectly sinless but being in Christ His shed blood cleanses away all my sin's 1 Jn 1:7 and having put on Christ I am covered by HIS perfect righteousness. Not possible WITHOUT being water baptized.

Man's sins are not transferred to Christ no more than Adam's sin is transferred to man or Christ. Christ was the sacrifice for sin.

2 Cor 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin (harmatia) for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

"Sin" above refers to sacrifice for sins not just sin itself. The Greek word hamartia carries the idea of a sin sacrifice.

Heb 10:8,10 "Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin (harmatia) thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;....By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Christ was a sacrifice for sin, an OFFERING for sin and does not embody sin itself. 1 Pet 1:19 Christ was always without blemish and cannot have taken sin upon Himself.

 

[SeaBass]

Its all straw man.

You must allow God to be God. Grace far exceeds your expectations. God loves you long before you learn to love Him in return. Christ died for us when we hated and despised Him.

You are still reading into scripture and not reading out of it. More evidence that apart from the Holy Spirit you cannot comprehend what God has provided in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Acts 2:40 save yourselves
1 Tim 4:16 save thyself
1 Pet 1:22 purified your souls
James 4:8 cleanse your hands, purify your hearts
2 Cor 7:1 cleanse ourselves
2 Tim 2:21 if a man purge himself

The above are not "straw man" but taken straight from the bible and not easy to deal with by those that hold to the man-made teaching of faith only.

Eph 3:3,4 "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)."

Paul did not say that when ye read, along with some miraculous "illumination" given by the Holy Spirit, ye may understand.

 

[notuptome]

Acts 2:40 save yourselves
1 Tim 4:16 save thyself
1 Pet 1:22 purified your souls
James 4:8 cleanse your hands, purify your hearts
2 Cor 7:1 cleanse ourselves
2 Tim 2:21 if a man purge himself

The above are not "straw man" but taken straight from the bible and not easy to deal with by those that hold to the man-made teaching of faith only.

Eph 3:3,4 "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)."

Paul did not say that when ye read, along with some miraculous "illumination" given by the Holy Spirit, ye may understand.

Psalms 119:9-11 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his ways? By taking heed thereto according to Thy word.

You cannot do what God has already done for you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[VioletReigns]

Acts 2:40 save yourselves
1 Tim 4:16 save thyself
1 Pet 1:22 purified your souls
James 4:8 cleanse your hands, purify your hearts
2 Cor 7:1 cleanse ourselves
2 Tim 2:21 if a man purge himself

The above are not "straw man" but taken straight from the bible and not easy to deal with by those that hold to the man-made teaching of faith only.

Eph 3:3,4 "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)."

Paul did not say that when ye read, along with some miraculous "illumination" given by the Holy Spirit, ye may understand.

How do you propose you can "save yourself", "purify your soul", "cleanse your hands", "purify your heart", and "purge yourself"? Please give me the Scripture that explains exactly how you intend to do these things outwardly.

 

[elf3]

Until we are willing to give ourselves to Christ we will always try to justify ourselves before God.

Only the blood of Christ can justify us before God and redeem us to God. We can "work" all we want, we will only end up with blisters. You can be legalistic or Biblical....you can't be both.