The Angels and Archangels

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resurrection33 said:
Okay, I just quickly read Revelation 12, but I didn’t see anything there that said angels have never sinned. Did I miss something?
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Are you implying that God forgave 2/3 of the angels who sin and did not forgive 1/3 who sin ?:confused:
 
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A"re you implying that God forgave 2/3 of the angels who sin and did not forgive 1/3 who sin ?"


Only 1/3 of the angels sinned against the Lord [2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6; Revelation 12:4; 12:7-9]

The balance never rebelled against Him and will not
 
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resurrection33 said:
Jesus tells us in Matthew 4:17 that we are to repent. I’ve learned from experience that some people repent, while others whine.
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Exactly how does your response answer my quest for scriptures that prove the point that I asked about!

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Originally Posted by resurrection33

Some people strive to become archangels, and that is what they will become. Other people whine.




Scriptures in context that teaches this please.​
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly how does your response answer my quest for scriptures that prove the point that I asked about!

Re: The Angels and Archangels

Originally Posted by resurrection33

Some people strive to become archangels, and that is what they will become. Other people whine.




Scriptures in context that teaches this please.​
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People don't become angels because humans and angels are two different species.
But Mark 1:2 assigns the mission of an angel (that of messenger) to Saint John the Baptist. So, we could say that Saint John the Baptist was a man who strive to become like an angel (through the way he lived his life and through the calling that he had).
 
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GuessWho said:
People don't become angels because humans and angels are two different species.
But Mark 1:2 assigns the mission of an angel (that of messenger) to Saint John the Baptist. So, we could say that Saint John the Baptist was a man who strive to become like an angel (through the way he lived his life and through the calling that he had).
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Yeah I know...The question was asked so as to bring out the fallacy of the statement made.....Humanity was made a little LOWER than the angels for the suffering of death.......:)
 
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resurrection33 said:
The angels are those who have repented of their sin. The archangels are those who lead the angels. Satan, what purpose is served in reviling those who have repented of their sin? Didn’t Jesus command us to repent (Matt 4:17)?
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Matthew 4:17

(ASV) From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(BBE) From that time Jesus went about preaching and saying, Let your hearts be turned from sin, for the kingdom of heaven is near.

(CEV) Then Jesus started preaching, "Turn back to God! The kingdom of heaven will soon be here."

(Darby) From that time began Jesus to preach and to say, Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn nigh.


(ESV) From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

(Geneva) From that time Iesus began to preach, and to say, Amende your liues: for the kingdome of heauen is at hand.

(GNT-WH+) αποG575 PREP τοτεG5119 ADV ηρξατοG756 V-ADI-3S οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM κηρυσσεινG2784 V-PAN καιG2532 CONJ λεγεινG3004 V-PAN μετανοειτεG3340 V-PAM-2P ηγγικενG1448 V-RAI-3S γαρG1063 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF βασιλειαG932 N-NSF τωνG3588 T-GPM ουρανωνG3772 N-GPM

(KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(KJV+) FromG575 that timeG5119 JesusG2424 beganG756 to preach,G2784 andG2532 to say,G3004 Repent:G3340 forG1063 theG3588 kingdomG932 of heavenG3772 is at hand.G1448

(KJV-1611) From that time Iesus began to preach, and to say, Repent, for the kingdome of heauen is at hand.

(MKJV) From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

In these commonly used versions of the Bible, along with about 15 others that I access to, I can find no reference to Angels and/or Archangels in the entire context, or the scripture itself. I also searched 16 commentaries and could fine nothing to support your statement. Please cite your references.

Please cite the scriptures that lead you to believe that we become angels when we repent.

Thanks,
Billy
 
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resurrection33 said:
Being an angel means that you’ve stopped sinning, yes, but only Jesus has NEVER sinned.
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Angels have never sinned. Demons on the other hand, have. They were at one time angels who followed Satan in his rebellion against God.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Exactly how does your response answer my quest for scriptures that prove the point that I asked about!

Re: The Angels and Archangels

Originally Posted by resurrection33

Some people strive to become archangels, and that is what they will become. Other people whine.




Scriptures in context that teaches this please.​
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Scripture does not teach us to keep our hands off a hot stove, but we keep our hands off of a hot stove anyway. Are you trying to tell me people don’t whine?
 
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john832 said:
Angels have never sinned. Demons on the other hand, have. They were at one time angels who followed Satan in his rebellion against God.
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No, only Jesus had never sinned. Everybody knows that.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Scripture does not teach us to keep our hands off a hot stove, but we keep our hands off of a hot stove anyway. Are you trying to tell me people don’t whine?
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What is whine ?
 
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