the Law

[Rosy123]

I realize this one has caused many pages of discontent among my fellow followers however; I was just in my study of Hebrews on chapter 7 and have come across great revelations and I hope you will give an open ear and mind to what I have to say about that law in chapter 7.

Christ is our King after the order of Melchezidec Correct? Meaning He had not beginning of days or ending of life. He is Eternal. As our high priest: Look if you will at the high priests in the old testament before Christ arrived. If you look carefully at the LAWS they were to follow, which admittedly I do not yet know all of them, Christ as our high priest came and nullified those LAWS because His priesthood came not from man but after the Eternal God the Father who granted Christ as His only begotten son to inherit all, including the souls of those whom He called.

One of the laws the high priests of the Old Testament were to perform is the sacrifice for sin. Now comes the interesting part of my study. You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross. However; if you look closely at Hebrews 7 you will find He did abolish the Law, the Law of the Priesthood, Not the law of the commandments. The Law of the priesthood I speak of is that of Christ gave His life for the sacrifice of the people's sin where as the levitical priests sacrificed animals in atonement for the peoples sin and for themselves. When Christ died on the cross He made those sacrifices of the levites null and void, no longer needed.

I can not count how many scriptures I find all over the place about keeping the commandments, my favorite of all of them has got to be, John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments. Can I get an AMEN!!! That my dear friends is found in the NEW TESTAMNT!! AMEN!!! I also am reminded of a scripture about needless arguments I believe that one is

Titus 3:9-11

9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Now for myself and the hope of others, we must strive to live our lives according to John 14:15. If you truly love our God and Savior don't you think one of the biggest challenges of the new testament is to show ourselves worthy of Gods awesome love and care by following a simple set of rules to live by. If you think about all 10 of those simple rules, doesn't it show the most reverent kind of love on could give to a Father who gave His only flesh and blood to die for our salvation. I mean come on people are they that difficult to comprehend.

In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~

 

[JesusIsAll]

So, the ten simple rules, I take it, are the Ten Commandments, and you mention Sabbath. What happens to a person who keeps, say, nine of the rules, but not the Jewish Sabbath? Are they sinning? Is somebody who keeps that Sabbath holier in the eyes of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I realize this one has caused many pages of discontent among my fellow followers however; I was just in my study of Hebrews on chapter 7 and have come across great revelations and I hope you will give an open ear and mind to what I have to say about that law in chapter 7.

Christ is our King after the order of Melchezidec Correct? Meaning He had not beginning of days or ending of life. He is Eternal. As our high priest: Look if you will at the high priests in the old testament before Christ arrived. If you look carefully at the LAWS they were to follow, which admittedly I do not yet know all of them, Christ as our high priest came and nullified those LAWS because His priesthood came not from man but after the Eternal God the Father who granted Christ as His only begotten son to inherit all, including the souls of those whom He called.

One of the laws the high priests of the Old Testament were to perform is the sacrifice for sin. Now comes the interesting part of my study. You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross. However; if you look closely at Hebrews 7 you will find He did abolish the Law, the Law of the Priesthood, Not the law of the commandments. The Law of the priesthood I speak of is that of Christ gave His life for the sacrifice of the people's sin where as the levitical priests sacrificed animals in atonement for the peoples sin and for themselves. When Christ died on the cross He made those sacrifices of the levites null and void, no longer needed.

I can not count how many scriptures I find all over the place about keeping the commandments, my favorite of all of them has got to be, John 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments. Can I get an AMEN!!! That my dear friends is found in the NEW TESTAMNT!! AMEN!!! I also am reminded of a scripture about needless arguments I believe that one is

Titus 3:9-11

9But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. 10Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.

Now for myself and the hope of others, we must strive to live our lives according to John 14:15. If you truly love our God and Savior don't you think one of the biggest challenges of the new testament is to show ourselves worthy of Gods awesome love and care by following a simple set of rules to live by. If you think about all 10 of those simple rules, doesn't it show the most reverent kind of love on could give to a Father who gave His only flesh and blood to die for our salvation. I mean come on people are they that difficult to comprehend.

In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~

can you please show where anyone in here has said we should not follow the commands of God.

I keep hearing people say people say this (including myself) but I have yet to see anyone actually do it. So can you show me where people have been saying it is ok to sin, I must have missed it.

 

[Blain]

can you please show where anyone in here has said we should not follow the commands of God.

I keep hearing people say people say this (including myself) but I have yet to see anyone actually do it. So can you show me where people have been saying it is ok to sin, I must have missed it.

actually you did miss it, there was an incident not to long ago where the forum Got spammed with threads with the law and the sabbath and it got nasty

 

[Rosy123]

So, the ten simple rules, I take it, are the Ten Commandments, and you mention Sabbath. What happens to a person who keeps, say, nine of the rules, but not the Jewish Sabbath? Are they sinning? Is somebody who keeps that Sabbath holier in the eyes of God?

The Jews did not sanctify the Sabbath God the Eternal Creator of all did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

actually you did miss it, there was an incident not to long ago where the forum Got spammed with threads with the law and the sabbath and it got nasty

I have seen all those threads.

those judging people for not obeying the sabbath, (even though they themselves do not obey the way it is supposed to be obeyed) and those who say every day is a sabaath.

those are foolish threads which do nothing to promote the things of God. in fact Gods warns us not to judge over sabaath days.

I am talking where people say it is ok to lie, it is ok to dishonor your parents, it is ok to kill, commit adultry, not love your nieghbor. where are all these threads.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Jews did not sanctify the Sabbath God the Eternal Creator of all did.

what does that have to do with it? do you keep the sabaath? Do you sit at home and do no work whatosoever do you cook on the sabaath? Do you go anyplace on the sabbath?

WHat ever happened to taking the log out of your eye before trying to remove the spec out of your brothers?

 

[JesusIsAll]

The Jews did not sanctify the Sabbath God the Eternal Creator of all did.

What of the questions I asked?

 

[Blain]

I have seen all those threads.

those judging people for not obeying the sabbath, (even though they themselves do not obey the way it is supposed to be obeyed) and those who say every day is a sabaath.

those are foolish threads which do nothing to promote the things of God. in fact Gods warns us not to judge over sabaath days.

I am talking where people say it is ok to lie, it is ok to dishonor your parents, it is ok to kill, commit adultry, not love your nieghbor. where are all these threads.

I don't think that is what the op was talking about

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think that is what the op was talking about

hmm, did you read what she said? Here is a quote from her.

You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross

same argument of about 1/3 of the threads in Christian chat. alot of accusation. but i never see any proof. I just want to see if someone is going to accuse, they have proof of what they are accusing others of doing.

 

[Blain]

hmm, did you read what she said? Here is a quote from her.

You all argue that when Christ died on the cross He paid our sacrifice of sin so we no longer need to worry about not following the ten commandments because Christ has abolished the law by paying the price on the cross

same argument of about 1/3 of the threads in Christian chat. alot of accusation. but i never see any proof. I just want to see if someone is going to accuse, they have proof of what they are accusing others of doing.

Ah I see I guess I missed that. I haven't seen such threads honestly, Rosy where have you seen these?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

In Gods love I leave you to contemplate what I have just said. Please remember to be kind in your responses and God bless you all. Oh yea, happy Sabbath~~~

Hebrews 7 is a wonderful passage, but it wasn't meant to cause enmity between people. Ever since Gentiles were admitted there has been dispute about what was abolished or not. Gentiles had been excluded from access to God by the Jew's commandments, which set them apart from Gentiles by enmity, hostility from the Jews, resentment from the Gentiles. Gentiles were not allowed past the Gentile Court of the temple, in effect shut out from the presence of God because they were not Jews. All the elements by way of law-ordinaces of Judaism that maintained that bad-blood scenario were abolished by Christ on the cross. But Jesus never abolished love, honor, righteousness. Those remain, which ought not serve to make enmity between both camps of believers.

Ephesians 2:11-22 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[SUP]22 [/SUP] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Keeping the seventh day sabbath was a commandment given to Israel, those under the law of Moses, which was never aimed at Gentiles. None of it could possibly be required of Gentiles, or Christians in general. The 10 Commandments were specifically given to that chosen people at the foot of Mt. Sinai.

Anyone that studies the Bible will find in the New Testament Jesus and the apostles incorporated the heart of those ten into the doctrine of the gospel of Christ, except for the one, the seventh day sabbath. It is nowhere commanded in the New Covenant after the cross. It was at the cross that the new covenant was ratified in Jesus' blood. The heart of the other nine commandments speak of love, honor, righteousness, against which there is no law.

Colossians 2:13-17 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Gentile Christians are free from any of the types and shadows that spoke of Christ to come. Jesus came.

 

[Rosy123]

Ah I see I guess I missed that. I haven't seen such threads honestly, Rosy where have you seen these?

When my husband first started on here there were 2 people who every time he would say something about scripture that didn't agree with their beliefs or interpretation of those scriptures would so totally bash him and argue that I was not interested in joining this, but as the spirit led me I have not personally run into that. I have only been here a short while and have not run into such arguments yet but are certainly on the look out for those people. I am one who strongly believes in Saturday Sabbath and keeping the commandments, as I have seen in other threads people get down right nasty when they speak of the Law, with grace they feel it was done on the cross. I see it differently. Grace was given to us as a free gift to us from God the Father to qualify us for forgiveness not fulfill the Law. ( they see as the law of commandments) I see as the Law of the levitical priests as we no longer sacrifice animals for atonement for our sins. Christ obviously did that on the cross. They also throw out the new covenant to cover their deceptions. No offence to anyone on that last comment. Christ died on that cross to redeem us not excuse us from the 10 commandments. I hope you are able to understand my shyness when it comes to those who are purposed for arguing. I realize you are not one of those so I thank you for your question and pray for your understanding. God bless you Blain. Thank you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When my husband first started on here there were 2 people who every time he would say something about scripture that didn't agree with their beliefs or interpretation of those scriptures would so totally bash him and argue that I was not interested in joining this, but as the spirit led me I have not personally run into that. I have only been here a short while and have not run into such arguments yet but are certainly on the look out for those people. I am one who strongly believes in Saturday Sabbath and keeping the commandments, as I have seen in other threads people get down right nasty when they speak of the Law, with grace they feel it was done on the cross. I see it differently. Grace was given to us as a free gift to us from God the Father to qualify us for forgiveness not fulfill the Law. ( they see as the law of commandments) I see as the Law of the levitical priests as we no longer sacrifice animals for atonement for our sins. Christ obviously did that on the cross. They also throw out the new covenant to cover their deceptions. No offence to anyone on that last comment. Christ died on that cross to redeem us not excuse us from the 10 commandments. I hope you are able to understand my shyness when it comes to those who are purposed for arguing. I realize you are not one of those so I thank you for your question and pray for your understanding. God bless you Blain. Thank you.

One should not misinterpret professing against the law as a means of salvation (which happens alot in here) and professing the law should no longer guide us.

I think alot of people misinterpret the first point as preaching against law. which is not the case.

 

[JesusIsAll]

One should not misinterpret professing against the law as a means of salvation (which happens alot in here) and professing the law should no longer guide us.

I think alot of people misinterpret the first point as preaching against law. which is not the case.

On CC, we also know this has gone deeper to the point of cults pushing Christianity is the word of God plus Ellen White or Charles Russell or Herbert Armstrong, Hebrew roots, etc. All of these groups have perverted clear New Testament teachings, and the strangest thing that always screams the loudest, is they will not admit who they are, rather slink around, slipping in their false doctrines, pushing bondage. And one thing that can be said for Catholics, they don't hide who they are.

 

[Rosy123]

One should not misinterpret professing against the law as a means of salvation (which happens alot in here) and professing the law should no longer guide us.

I think alot of people misinterpret the first point as preaching against law. which is not the case.

Please if you will explain further. Eternally Greatful. thank you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please if you will explain further. Eternally Greatful. thank you.

if one claims that we are saved by obedience to Gods commands, or tries to even twist it and say we will lose salvation if we do not obey to some set standard (which they can not even claim what that standard is) they are trying to be saved by the law

If one claims that we are saved by faith, and through this salvation, and the indwelling HS are guided on how and why to obey Gods commands are condemned by the first people. saying they believe we can sin all we want and it does not matter, which is so far from the truth.

 

[Rosy123]

actually you did miss it, there was an incident not to long ago where the forum Got spammed with threads with the law and the sabbath and it got nasty

Blain you are absolutely correct and I know of which the incident you speak of and maybe I should just let sleeping dogs lie. It was interesting while it lasted though. Sorry I will sign off now. (of this post anyway. )

 

[Rosy123]

if one claims that we are saved by obedience to Gods commands, or tries to even twist it and say we will lose salvation if we do not obey to some set standard (which they can not even claim what that standard is) they are trying to be saved by the law

If one claims that we are saved by faith, and through this salvation, and the indwelling HS are guided on how and why to obey Gods commands are condemned by the first people. saying they believe we can sin all we want and it does not matter, which is so far from the truth.

I am not saying saved by following the commandments but they are not abolished. We are saved, become a child of God and in response to our gift of salvation we obey His commandments and keep His Seventh Day Holy. Enough said. Follow out of simple respect and love for God our Father who in the first commandment says: Love God the Father with all your heart, mind and soul. Amen.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 3:20-24 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.