God creates people just for the purpose of sending them to hell

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This is what is called "double predestination", in which God chooses who he wants to save or send to hell. Indeed this is sort of a calvin teaching but i am pulling from what the bible say's about it. Proverbs 16:4 shows it

The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. Proverbs 16:4

here it shows God makes every for its purpose even the wicked which implys he creates people for hell. Romans 9:11-23 also shows it as well

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Romans 9:11-23

Notice "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction
This implys god creates people for the sole purpose of destroying them. It is not a calvin teaching but rather what the bible teaches


 

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I strongly disagree. God is a loving fair and caring father, he takes great care in created each person in the womb they are all made in his image and he died for every person in the world.
A loving and caring father does not create ppl just for them to go to hell. God above all is love and he gives everyone a fair chance to be saved.
 
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I strongly disagree. God is a loving fair and caring father, he takes great care in created each person in the womb they are all made in his image and he died for every person in the world.
A loving and caring father does not create ppl just for them to go to hell. God above all is love and he gives everyone a fair chance to be saved.
does not matter if you agree or not its what the bible says and its all for gods glory
 

SoulWeaver

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Oh man how many more threads about this??? Have we not better things to do than judging God?
 

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This is what is called "double predestination", in which God chooses who he wants to save or send to hell. Indeed this is sort of a calvin teaching but i am pulling from what the bible say's about it. Proverbs 16:4 shows it

The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. Proverbs 16:4

here it shows God makes every for its purpose even the wicked which implys he creates people for hell. Romans 9:11-23 also shows it as well

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Romans 9:11-23

Notice "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction
This implys god creates people for the sole purpose of destroying them. It is not a calvin teaching but rather what the bible teaches


How does God judge a person guilty if He predestined his guiltiness?
 
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I strongly disagree. God is a loving fair and caring father, he takes great care in created each person in the womb they are all made in his image and he died for every person in the world.
A loving and caring father does not create ppl just for them to go to hell. God above all is love and he gives everyone a fair chance to be saved.
I agree....For God would have ALL men to be SAVED and come to the knowledge of the truth....God has dealt to EVERY MAN a measure of faith (the ability to believe) and to ignore these two verses to teach the above rejects what is actually being said by God. God knows every decision men will make which allows Him to give the scriptures taken out of context to teach the above OP.
 
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does not matter if you agree or not its what the bible says and its all for gods glory
I suggest you study a little more like the following....

1. God would have ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth
2. God has dealt to EVERY MAN a measure of faith
3. The grace of God that brings salvation has shined down upon ALL MANKIND
4. For God so loved the WORLD (cosmos) whole order of things.....that WHOSOEVER believeth

Just to name four of the many that can be given!

 
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I exhort therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thank, be made for all men; for kings and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:1-4

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life . . . . He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16,18

Sounds to me as if we have a choice to make - Believe or not believe - that will determine one's life in eternity.
 

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In the spirit of the question, I have heard this theory that it might be that after the light, God saw what a beautiful place it was, that God loved the world that he sent the Spirit of Truth that whosoever should believe on would not perish from the ghost of those who maked and loved lying would be drawn by the vortex of the sun into the lake of fire. That way the liars are gone and the light stays on. [Just an opinion I heard, but it does say in John 3:16 God so loved the world]
 
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I exhort therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thank, be made for all men; for kings and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:1-4

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life . . . . He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16,18

Sounds to me as if we have a choice to make - Believe or not believe - that will determine one's life in eternity.
AMEN and people who know the truth actually think alike HAHAH Notice how we both used the same scriptures...!
 
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In the spirit of the question, I have heard this theory that it might be that after the light, God saw what a beautiful place it was, that God loved the world that he sent the Spirit of Truth that whosoever should believe on would not perish from the ghost of those who maked and loved lying would be drawn by the vortex of the sun into the lake of fire. That way the liars are gone and the light stays on. [Just an opinion I heard, but it does say in John 3:16 God so loved the world]
God likes us to think but we need to draw our food for thought from study of the Bible, so I'm wondering where in scripture that it mentions being drawn into the vortex of the sun? (all the liars ever created cannot dim the Light of Jesus Christ) and Yes God did so love the world that He sent His only Begotten Son to die for us that we should believe and have everlasting life. So we concur on that point.
 
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John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 

Blain

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In the spirit of the question, I have heard this theory that it might be that after the light, God saw what a beautiful place it was, that God loved the world that he sent the Spirit of Truth that whosoever should believe on would not perish from the ghost of those who maked and loved lying would be drawn by the vortex of the sun into the lake of fire. That way the liars are gone and the light stays on. [Just an opinion I heard, but it does say in John 3:16 God so loved the world]
..........Wha? :confused:
 

Zmouth

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God likes us to think but we need to draw our food for thought from study of the Bible, so I'm wondering where in scripture that it mentions being drawn into the vortex of the sun? (all the liars ever created cannot dim the Light of Jesus Christ) and Yes God did so love the world that He sent His only Begotten Son to die for us that we should believe and have everlasting life. So we concur on that point.
What do you think the lake of fire is? Some imaginary place in the nether regions of fantasy?

Yes God did so love the world that He sent His only Begotten Son to die for us that we should believe and have everlasting life. So we concur on that point.

I don't think that is quite what I said.
2 Cor 13:5 might help those who
conclude in John 3:16 that God send His Son to die for the sins.
The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the World, Rev 13:8 when he
laid down his eternal nature in the Father to hath Life in himself. John 5:26


No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44

Funny thing is that when the conscious spirit is drifting towards the sun just
remember it is never too late to say "True and Righteous is the WORD of the LORD.


Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world:
he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12

Symbolic huh?


9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in
the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if
a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
John 11:9


He that is born of the Spirit is spirit, he that is born of the Spirit and the Word
is born of the Father of the father of lights.
 

Zmouth

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John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Couldn't have said it better if I had said it myself.
 

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Why even bother? He's here to tell, not discuss. A lot of people want to 'teach', but not learn.
 

gb9

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agreed. this is the Bible discussion forum. some folks think this is the judge and lecture everyone who does not 100% agree with them forum.