Does God heal today?

notuptome · Nov 26, 2014

God heals in two ways. Natural healing and miraculous healing. There is a difference and it is always clear which is which. There are no men who are healers. If someone claims to be have the gift of healing let him prove himself in the local hospital.

Virtually all of the healing claimed by the Pentecostal gang is not genuine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Free-To-Be · Nov 26, 2014

God does not use doctors to heal anyone ever. You are making that up. You have no scripture for that none. God heals through believers nothing else. And no one in this thread ever siad they heal anyone. you again are adding something thats was not here in the first place. Either back up with scripture what you are saying or you have nothing to offer. I was never in a penticostal church dont even know what they do. But I know I am not that special. But God uses me because I believe the word. I dont heal anyone never said I did. I used to talk like you. But I now know what works and what doesnt. done the church garbage for 21 years. left church and saw more healing at my hand laying on the sick as we are commanedded to do. Unblife is sin, nothing short of sin But He still loves us. There is no condemnation from Christ none. You are asking people to prove them selves and no nothing about what God wants. If you never layed hands on the sick. You cant say nothing here. If you did and it never worked guess whats wrong?

mpaper345 · Nov 26, 2014

Anything that the apostles did in the book of Acts is possible today because we get the same benefit as the early Church.

But there is not a lot of healing because of hypocrisy and lack of faith.

Jesus told the Jews that a sinful and adulteress generation seeks after a sign and none shall be given it but that Jesus will be 3 days in the grave and resurrect.

God told us the last generation before Jesus comes back which they will be disobedient to parents,highly selfish,highly arrogant,and will devour the poor from off the earth and the needy among men,which means they will heap money to themselves to exalt themselves and will not care about those in need.

So will there be healings and signs given to this generation that is worse than the generation that Jesus addressed in which He said no sign will be given them.

Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith.

Lack of faith,hypocrisy,and possibly no sign given to the last generation,could be the cause of why there is not a lot of healings and miracles.

Jesus said blessed is he that has not seen Him but still believes because some people want to see something to believe,so in this last generation which is the worse out of all the generations will there be a lot of signs and miracles.

Free-To-Be · Nov 26, 2014

mpaper345 said:

Anything that the apostles did in the book of Acts is possible today because we get the same benefit as the early Church.

But there is not a lot of healing because of hypocrisy and lack of faith.

Jesus told the Jews that a sinful and adulteress generation seeks after a sign and none shall be given it but that Jesus will be 3 days in the grave and resurrect.

God told us the last generation before Jesus comes back which they will be disobedient to parents,highly selfish,highly arrogant,and will devour the poor from off the earth and the needy among men,which means they will heap money to themselves to exalt themselves and will not care about those in need.

So will there be healings and signs given to this generation that is worse than the generation that Jesus addressed in which He said no sign will be given them.

Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith.

Lack of faith,hypocrisy,and possibly no sign given to the last generation,could be the cause of why there is not a lot of healings and miracles.

Jesus said blessed is he that has not seen Him but still believes because some people want to see something to believe,so in this last generation which is the worse out of all the generations will there be a lot of signs and miracles.

You got it right in your firt part. You should have put a full stop in and stopped there. It is only because of lack of faith which is unbelief and that is sin. Nothing else.

notuptome · Nov 26, 2014

Miracles are not impossible for God nor are they necessary.

The authority we have is in the word of God not in miracles and signs.

The diabolical one is able and willing to counterfeit the sign gifts. There are many who gladly welcome the counterfeit and eschew the genuine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Free-To-Be · Nov 26, 2014

notuptome said:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
This verse tells you all you need to know.

But I see you still cant produce any scripture??

wattie · Nov 27, 2014

Freetobe-

About those verses-

1 Jesus was speaking to the disciples and with reference to the apostles later
2 Signs and wonders etc.. followed them
3 The apostles are gone.. died over 1900 years ago
4 People don't need to see these wonders etc now ... because they have a completed Word of God to draw from
5 What the apostles were doing was to form early churches etc until the Word was complete.. then the tools were 'put away'

Ephesians 4.. and 1 Corinthians 13 are the main verses about this.

Free-To-Be · Nov 28, 2014

wattie said:

Freetobe-

About those verses-

wattie said:

And Jesus told them.
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Them being us,believers

wattie said:

Didnt say follow them. It says follow believers

wattie said:

And Gods will is the same today as it always was,
What I do for one I will do for all. And you say healing stopped with the apostles.
They kingdom come thy will be doen on earth as it is in heaven.
Any sick in heaven?
So its Gods will that the earth would be the same.

wattie said:

These signs and wonderers will follow you. Believers.
A comleted word in the bible does nothing for a child with cancer. You lay hands and get the child up.

wattie said:

What they done was what Jesus done. But they even had better things happen than Jesus did with regared to healing.
Bet ya never saw that before. ANd Jesus said why marvel at this. Dont you know YOU will do greater things than these.
Jesus never healed anyone with His shadow. The apostles did

wattie said:

I think I gave you and everone else enough.
Are these scripture correct or not.
You keep in mind this is not about me or you.
All the promises of God are yes and amen.

Zmouth · Nov 28, 2014

notuptome said:

And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself:
Luke 4:23

I heard that, save him that is of God, Jesus is the same from the beginning as is today
as will always be.

wattie · Nov 28, 2014

I am still saying God heals.. but not through the miraculous gift of healing. There is a difference there.

But the verse.. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.. isn't a verse about spiritual gifts.. it's about the surety of His promise and Word. Check the context of that verse.

And the apostles.. if all believers now are the same as the apostles then.. well... what about the their particular qualifications?

- Paul was among other things an eyewitness of Christ- seeing Him resurrected in the flesh. This applied to all the apostles.

The other thing is- if the 'perfect thing' or 'that which is perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13.. is meant to be Jesus. Well--

the perfect thing was 'in part'! It was 'incomplete'

Jesus' is 'in part' now.. before He comes again?

'for now we prophesy IN part.. but when that which is perfect is coming.. that which is in part shall cease'

Whatever is perfect in 1 Corinthians 13.. was at some point in part.

damombomb · Nov 28, 2014

I have seen a couple of people miraculously healed by the Lord. Some slowly healed.

damombomb · Nov 28, 2014

wattie said:

I am still saying God heals.. but not through the miraculous gift of healing. There is a difference there.

But the verse.. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.. isn't a verse about spiritual gifts.. it's about the surety of His promise and Word. Check the context of that verse.

And the apostles.. if all believers now are the same as the apostles then.. well... what about the their particular qualifications?

- Paul was among other things an eyewitness of Christ- seeing Him resurrected in the flesh. This applied to all the apostles.

The other thing is- if the 'perfect thing' or 'that which is perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13.. is meant to be Jesus. Well--

the perfect thing was 'in part'! It was 'incomplete'

Jesus' is 'in part' now.. before He comes again?

'for now we prophesy IN part.. but when that which is perfect is coming.. that which is in part shall cease'

Whatever is perfect in 1 Corinthians 13.. was at some point in part.

Jesus is that which is perfect has come. You cant tear out pages of the bible or ignore them.
The gift are still for today for his church. It is written.
Jesus still heals today if he see's fit.
Only commenting on post, nothing against you.

Free-To-Be · Nov 28, 2014

wattie said:

I am well aware of the diference

wattie said:

Who quoted it not me.
And just so we know how do you check a verse in context?

wattie said:

What qualifications is that?

And when you explian that did the seventy have that same qualification?

wattie said:

And whats your point on this?

wattie said:

what has this to do with healing?

Tell me if these are out of context?

Believers will lay hands on the sick and they will be healed.
What does that verse mean? Dosent say appostles and people who saw Jesus resurected.
Youe will on earth as IT IS IN HEAVEN.
God will that the earth will be whole. Sin free and good.
The word saved in the bible whats its full meaning? In the greek.
Jesus said whats the hardest thing to do forgive his sin or heal him? They are both the same.
By His stripes you ARE HEALED. Whats that mean?
Anything ANYTHING you ask in my name and I will give it. Whats that mean?
What the bread for in comunion?
Tell us what these verses all mean. Explian how they dont work for believers?

Angela53510 · Nov 29, 2014

God is the source of healing, comfort and love.

First, let me point out that Mark 16, the last chapters are not part of the original Greek, and were not added for many centuries. So the points about healing, handling snakes etc, is not evidence, not inspired.

Next, God is more about developing character for eternity, rather than short term healing in this life time. Because sooner or later, we still all die a physical death. But our character continues on. If you don't believe me, try this passage.

"Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

I am disabled myself, prayed for healing for many years, got bitter, then God touched me and gave me a new heart to serve him, but never did heal my body physically, although he got me on better medications for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I am now a chaplain ministering in long term care, where everyone is suffering, despite some of those old saints (100 years old!) having a deeper relationship with Christ than anyone I have ever met.

God does NOT promise us that all people will be healed. In fact, he says he will be with us, and use everything for our good.

“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by name, you are mine.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you;
when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,
and the flame shall not consume you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior." Isa. 43:1b-3

As far as Hebrews 11, the "faith heroes" chapter, it seems those who thing healing comes on demand have missed the last part of the chapter.

"Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. [SUP]37 [/SUP]They were stoned, they were sawn in two,[SUP][a][/SUP] they were killed with the sword.They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— [SUP]38 [/SUP]of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, [SUP]40 [/SUP]since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect." Hebrews 11:35b-39

As far as modern medicine, most doctors will admit they do not understand the final mechanism for healing. Good doctors, will even point to God as the healer. Yes, God uses doctors, and sometimes he allows us to learn and grow from suffering, not from healing.

I do not think I would be walking with Christ today, if I had not gotten so sick. I was becoming more and more worldly at that time, and God made me slow down and seek him. I praise God for all he has done in my life.

I am concerned with this rabid Health and Wealth Gospel, that we MUST be healed. It undermines the sovereignty of God. God has his own purposes and ends. We are NOT to command him. I just pray the OP will not soon fall sick, like my old friend who was a Kenneth Copeland ordained pastor. When she got breast cancer in her 50's, she claimed and believed for healing. She would not accept the doctor's help, and died 10 months later when the cancer spread through her body and killed her.

I trust God totally, no matter what my health, my finances, or any circumstances. That is what is Biblical.

"Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content.[SUP]12 [/SUP]I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I can do all things through him who strengthens me." Phil. 4:11-13

wattie · Nov 29, 2014

The verses did work for the disciples and apostles being spoken to right up until the early churches had completed the work of the Holy Spirit in forming His early churches and completing His Word.

So all verses about the gifts of the Holy Spirit apply to the christians in churches at the time of that writing.

Another part of this- as Roger has typed. If the gifts of the Holy Spirit ARE in operation.. if christians now have them.. they should be able to walk out of their church.. see the nearest person in a wheel chair and right of the bat.. use the gift of healing and they would be 100 percent healed.

Like he said-- they should be working in the nearest hospital if they really do have that gift.

But history recent says.. nope. The majority stay sick... very very few are 100 percent miraculously healed.

The reason for this lack of 100 percent miraculous healing isn't because their is not enough faith in many churches. Jesus could heal people regardless of their faith sometimes (i.e. Lazarus who was dead). Their belief did not always affect His ability to heal. If He didn't heal it wasn't because He couldn't it would be for particular teaching and other reasons (eg. the people's hearts were too hardened).

Lastly, there is the fact that any believer will be fully healed in a new body in the end anyway. So someone who is blind will see in heaven.. someone lame will walk in heaven etc..

Kerry · Nov 29, 2014

BY His stripes we are healed.

Free-To-Be · Nov 29, 2014

wattie said:

Once again someone come in and says what they think. So can you who has no scripture to back up your claims.
Just show everyone all the scriptures that dont apply for today? Becuase its difficult not know what you know. Just so I know what I have left to work with.

wattie said:

Yep once again no scripture just your thoughts DO you really think If I took you to court you could waltze in and say that and walk away? Are you kidding me. Keep it real man and back up evry thing you claim.

wattie said:

They are doing it now and have been all over the world. ONe man shut down a hospital in America. Officailly recorded the healthyiest place to lifve in Its recorded history. The same church today has a room given by the hospital to lay hands on the sick.
John G lake shut the hospitail in spokane NY His ministry is still running today with Curry Blake.
Now you are asking them to to a 100% of what you dont do 1% just like the pharises would do. Thats what religion does .

wattie said:

Like I said they do all over the world the dead are raised demons are cast out and the sick are healed. You talking here just like the world does Its hard to tell who I am talking to in here. I dont pay no attention to what so called Christiansd call them selves Time exposes them. All you speak is unbelief.

wattie said:

History, where you look TV and the media. and what you hear each other saying in here. Mostly unbelief. Every now and again I get a little glimmer of Christ in here. I would recommend the believers move on. to where they get built up. Not dragged down with your unbelief. This is gonna come back and bite you on the ass you know that dont you.
Wow did he say ass in a Christian forum.

wattie said:

There unbeife never gets in the way. Jesus Healed them all the apostiles healed them all. The only one who never got healed where unbelievers like in here.

wattie said:

Ahh so you believe there no sick in heaven. Maybe I can work with this.
Lords prayer.
They kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Is it Gods will that the earth will be healed?
Why are you sick. ( I am Not)btw

If yes why are we sick. You are sick because of your unbilef.

1Cor 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. Sleep being dead.
Please dont come back here with out scripture man.

Lord Thank you for Kerry and they others that want and have your full Gospel.
They Kindom come will come when the sons of God Manifest. IE Heal the sick and raise the dead etc.

Lord this is like treading in treacle.

But I love it.

Free-To-Be · Nov 29, 2014

Angela53510 said:

God is the source of healing, comfort and love.

First, let me point out that Mark 16, the last chapters are not part of the original Greek, and were not added for many centuries. So the points about healing, handling snakes etc, is not evidence, not inspired.

Next, God is more about developing character for eternity, rather than short term healing in this life time. Because sooner or later, we still all die a physical death. But our character continues on. If you don't believe me, try this passage.

"Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

I am disabled myself, prayed for healing for many years, got bitter, then God touched me and gave me a new heart to serve him, but never did heal my body physically, although he got me on better medications for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I am now a chaplain ministering in long term care, where everyone is suffering, despite some of those old saints (100 years old!) having a deeper relationship with Christ than anyone I have ever met.

God does NOT promise us that all people will be healed. In fact, he says he will be with us, and use everything for our good.

“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by name, you are mine.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you;
when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,
and the flame shall not consume you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior." Isa. 43:1b-3

As far as Hebrews 11, the "faith heroes" chapter, it seems those who thing healing comes on demand have missed the last part of the chapter.

"Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. [SUP]37 [/SUP]They were stoned, they were sawn in two,[SUP][a][/SUP] they were killed with the sword.They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— [SUP]38 [/SUP]of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, [SUP]40 [/SUP]since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect." Hebrews 11:35b-39

As far as modern medicine, most doctors will admit they do not understand the final mechanism for healing. Good doctors, will even point to God as the healer. Yes, God uses doctors, and sometimes he allows us to learn and grow from suffering, not from healing.

I do not think I would be walking with Christ today, if I had not gotten so sick. I was becoming more and more worldly at that time, and God made me slow down and seek him. I praise God for all he has done in my life.

I am concerned with this rabid Health and Wealth Gospel, that we MUST be healed. It undermines the sovereignty of God. God has his own purposes and ends. We are NOT to command him. I just pray the OP will not soon fall sick, like my old friend who was a Kenneth Copeland ordained pastor. When she got breast cancer in her 50's, she claimed and believed for healing. She would not accept the doctor's help, and died 10 months later when the cancer spread through her body and killed her.

I trust God totally, no matter what my health, my finances, or any circumstances. That is what is Biblical.

"Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content.[SUP]12 [/SUP]I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I can do all things through him who strengthens me." Phil. 4:11-13

Angela I am tired in here this is really hard work.
But becuase you said you are disabled.
This is my skype name.
vegetaprinceofthesayians................ ( yes yes cartoon name I know) But my charictor is very similar

Please call me and I will pray with you and we will see whats real about God will and what He gave us.

jb · Nov 29, 2014

For those interested you can find a bit of a study on divine healing (in the Name of Jesus) Here...

Yahweh Shalom

notuptome · Nov 29, 2014

Free-To-Be said:

If you are brazen enough to play with serpents you will soon find out God is not mocked.

The spirit you demonstrate is not the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit vaunteth not Himself.

If you have the gift of healing then go into all the hospitals and heal. Heal all the sick and infirmed in your local hospital. Otherwise you only pontificate and bloviate over what you suppose you want God to do. God is in the soul saving business not in drama and entertainment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

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