WAS JESUS TEMPTED?

[VioletReigns]

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Philippians 2:
5 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6 - Who, though he was God, did not think equality with God as something to cling to,
7 - But instead gave up his divine privileges, he took the humble position of a slave, being born in the likeness of men.
8 - And being found in human form, he humbled himself to God by obedience to the point of death, even a criminal’s death on the cross.
9 - Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus was tempted in every area that mankind is tempted. Temptation is that thing which seeks to get our attention, those things which reach out to our emotions, thoughts, feelings. Temptation begins in the mind.

Jesus had emotions, Jesus had needs, Jesus had temptation. A thought can flutter through our mind, an emotion can surge through our veins, a desire can grab at our heart, a fear can make the blood run cold, an image can snatch the attention of our eyes. And we will be tempted to validate those feelings and thoughts by acting out. It is at that point we must decide to obey God or obey our own selfish motives.

Jesus emptied himself out, gave up all his rights, abandoned his desires for God’s will in his life. Any thought that was not God’s will, any emotion that ran counter to God’s will, any image that did not glorify God’s will, any right to himself he surrendered it all to God the Father and obeyed him. Jesus died to himself even before he was crucified on the cross. He already made up his mind to do God’s will no matter what he felt, no matter what thought ran contrary to it.

When we are tempted, we have not sinned. If a lustful thought comes to mind, we can say no to it because it isn’t God’s will. We have not sinned. If we get angry and are tempted to speak carelessly, we can say no to it and keep our mouth shut. We have not sinned. But if you entertain yourself with lustful thoughts or dwell on anger to the point of hating or wanting to do harm, you have sinned in your heart. Nevertheless, Jesus is our advocate and we can repent ASAP before the devil ensnares us into a dangerous situation.

Jesus, on the other hand, never had to repent because he never allowed temptation to cause him to sin. And the more we walk and talk with the Lord Jesus, we become like him and can grow as obedient children emptied more and more of ourselves and abandoned to the Father’s will.

 

[4enlightment]

You can't tempt God with anything.

Deuteronomy 8:3 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.

Deuteronomy 6:13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.

 

[hopesprings]

Jesus also has a human nature and it would be that nature that was tempted. He never sinned tho...unlike us
just like Hebrews says

 

[prove-all]

15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).

And Jesus returned in (the power) of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out
a fame of him through all the region round about. (Luk 4:14)

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit upon him): he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall (shew it unto you).

He had a lot of help

 

[Jason0047]

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

This is talking about how Jesus was in our place in a similar way and not an exact way. The Eternal Son of God had entered the flesh of a man (and suppressed His divine attribute of having all knowledge). So the Word was confronted as a man in the same types of scenarios we had been faced with but He did not actually have any desire or lust to actually do those things, though. Why? Because He is God Almighty.

Philippians 2:
5 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6 - Who, though he was God, did not think equality with God as something to cling to,
7 - But instead gave up his divine privileges, he took the humble position of a slave, being born in the likeness of men.
8 - And being found in human form, he humbled himself to God by obedience to the point of death, even a criminal’s death on the cross.
9 - Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Yet, Jesus was not a criminal. For He who knew no sin was made to be sin for us. See, just desiring to do something wrong is called lust. And lust leads to sin. And you cannot be tempted unless you have lust or a desire to do wrong. Jesus never had a desire to ever do wrong.

When we are tempted, we have not sinned.

If you think lustful thoughts upon someone. Yes, you have sinned. Jesus essentially says, if you lust after a person, you have committed adultery already in your heart with them.

If a lustful thought comes to mind, we can say no to it because it isn’t God’s will.

My point exactly. Lust is not of God.

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world

Jesus is one with the Father. So lusting would have been impossible for the Holy Son of God.

 

[Jason0047]

Lusting is simply wrong desire. Jesus never once had a wrong desire. No temptation of Jesus was ever internal. All temptations Jesus went thru were EXTERNAL temptations and they were way one way only (Which were put forth by the devil). Jesus did not once give into the devil; Not even close.

 

[dcontroversal]

Lusting is simply wrong desire. Jesus never once had a wrong desire. No temptation of Jesus was ever internal. All temptations Jesus went thru were EXTERNAL temptations and they were way one way only (Which were put forth by the devil). Jesus did not once give into the devil; Not even close.

Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are tempted, yet did no sin...so quit adding to the word and rejecting the truth Jason and for once humble yourself to the truth as opposed to your opinion bro.

Hebrews 2:18, 4:15<---reject this if you choose....I will choose to believe the word and not READ in something that is not there!

 

[JesusIsAll]

I was tempted to comment, but already did, in the other thread of temptation. Our Lord Jesus was tempted, but, unlike me, wouldn't have asked the devil if he had whole wheat stones.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are tempted, yet did no sin...so quit adding to the word and rejecting the truth Jason and for once humble yourself to the truth as opposed to your opinion bro.

Hebrews 2:18, 4:15<---reject this if you choose....I will choose to believe the word and not READ in something that is not there!

Did our Lord Jesus have the predisposition to sin we have? Was He tempted, in the sense of weighing, contemplating, the sin choice? This is hard to conceive, of One of the fullness of the Holy Spirit of God, the sinless soul of God in the flesh.

See. I succumbed to posting in this thread, after all. Jesus wouldn't have!

 

[Jason0047]

First, you are rejecting the truth of the points in Scripture I already discussed. We have already been over this.

Lust is wrong desire.

Yet I just showed in 1 John 2:16 that says "lust" is not of the Father; And then I pointed out how Jesus is one with the Father. This is a truth that you are forced to reject if you want Jesus to be tempted in the way that you suggest, my friend.

Second, you are leaving out a tiny little detail to make your interpretation work for Hebrews 4:15. It says He was...."in all points tempted LIKE as we are. The word "Like" is saying that His temptation was similar but not exactly like ours. It was similar because He was in the body of a man and was in the same scenarios as we are. In all points or moments of scenarios of different types of temptations put forth to Him. These were external temptations and not internal temptations. This is what Hebrews 2:18 is talking about. It is talking about how he suffered by the external temptations not internal temptations. Big difference. An internal temptation would have been lust and lust leads to sin.

 

[dcontroversal]

Did our Lord Jesus have the predisposition to sin we have? Was He tempted, in the sense of weighing, contemplating, the sin choice? This is hard to conceive, of One of the fullness of the Holy Spirit of God, the sinless soul of God in the flesh.

See. I succumbed to posting in this thread, after all. Jesus wouldn't have!

all points AS WE ARE TEMPTED is pretty obvious...yet without SIN....so take it however you want to take it!

 

[dcontroversal]

First, you are rejecting the truth of the points in Scripture I already discussed. We have already been over this. <br>
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Lust is wrong desire.<br>
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Yet I just showed in 1 John 2:16 that says "lust" is not of the Father; And then I pointed out how Jesus is one with the Father. This is a truth that you are forced to reject if you want Jesus to be tempted, my friend.<br>
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Second, you are leaving out a tiny little detail to make your interpretation work for Hebrews 4:15. It says He was...."in all points tempted LIKE as we are. The word "Like" is saying that His temptation was similar but not exactly like ours. It was similar because He was in the body of a man and was in the same scenarios as we are. In all points or moments of scenarios of different types of temptations put forth to Him. These were external temptations and not internal temptations. This is what Hebrews 2:18 is talking about. It is talking about how he suffered by the external temptations not internal temptations. Big difference. An internal temptation would have been lust and lust leads to sin.

Believe what you will dude and read in things that are not there.. ALL POINTS LIKE WE ARE TEMPTED is obvious as your mind will not allow you to see the truth Jason......WAS JESUS in the flesh? HE CAME IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH, but was still FLESH.....the only thing that he did not have was a SIN NATURE from ADAM...your logic is flawed bro when it comes to the word LIKE

 

[VioletReigns]

In Luke chapter 5, before the Lord called Simon Peter as a disciple, Simon Peter calls Jesus, “Master” (Teacher) because Jesus was teaching from the boat he borrowed from him. But when Jesus performed a miracle that caused Peter to catch so many fish his boat almost sank, Peter was shocked, realizing Jesus was greater than who he imagined him to be. Peter fell down in trembling amazement at Jesus’ feet and called him, “Lord!” And Peter confessed his sinfulness.

I love this story because it emphasizes that Jesus is more than what our carnal minds can imagine him to be. He is exactly who he says he is. But our tiny minds sometimes can’t perceive Jesus Christ in reality. Nevertheless, what the Bible says is absolutely true.

The word says Jesus was tempted in every way that we are tempted. Hebrews 4 stresses the point by reminding us that our High Priest understands because he was tempted just like us.

Remember how Jesus wept when Mary & Martha cried, “Lord, if you were here our brother would not have died.” Do you know why Jesus wept? He was disturbed with anger at their unbelief that he could raise Lazarus from the dead. Do you want proof?

In John 11:12, Jesus told the disciples, “Let’s go now for I have to raise my friend Lazarus up from sleep (death). “ There was no reason for Jesus to cry over his friend’s death. He knew Lazarus was coming back to life soon. Jesus waited on purpose for Lazarus to die so people would see the power of God when Jesus resurrected him.

When Jesus arrived at Lazarus’ tomb, Mary & Martha doubted his power and cried in anguish because he arrived too late. In John 11:33 It reads: When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.
The Greek translation reads: Jesus was so agitated in his spirit, he was moved to anger.
In fact, Jesus was so angry, he wept! The mourners were saying, “Oh look, he’s crying! He must have loved Lazarus. But why couldn’t he have kept him from dying? He healed the blind but he couldn’t heal Lazarus.” Jesus reprimanded them, “Didn’t I tell you I am the Resurrection and the Life? Don’t you believe me?”
The Bible says Jesus was disturbed with anger again as he walked to the tomb of Lazarus. And then he prayed, “Father, thank you that you have heard my prayer.” Jesus was thanking God for an answer to prayer even before he received the answer! But he was saying the prayer aloud so people would believe the power of God. Then it said Jesus yelled loudly, “Lazarus, come forth!”
My point is, Jesus was ticked off to the point of tears. He was so disturbed by their unbelief that he broke down and cried.
If the Word of God says that Jesus was tempted in every way that we are, it means exactly that. There is no room for doubt. He was 100% God in Spirit. And he was 100% mankind in his body. And he was committed to God’s will so faithfully that he did not sin.
Why do you think it was important for the Bible to tell us that the devil tempted Jesus to the point where angels had to minister to him afterwards? Why do you think the Bible tells us Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane? Why do you think Jesus yelled in agony, “Why did you forsake me, Father?” Why was it important for the Word to inform us that Jesus cried, “I thirst!” while he hung on the cross?

Because Jesus is our example, our High Priest who demonstrated how it is possible to learn obedience to God and overcome temptation to sin. How? By believing the Word of God.

 

[JesusIsAll]

all points AS WE ARE TEMPTED is pretty obvious...yet without SIN....so take it however you want to take it!

Opens up what without sin means, though. We have sin, our Lord Jesus did not. There is not parity between the fullness of God and a wretch like me, comes to mind every day. Need to look into this more. But, anyway, leave it however you want to leave it, then! Be that way! LOL!

 

[dcontroversal]

Opens up what without sin means, though. We have sin, our Lord Jesus did not. There is not parity between the fullness of God and a wretch like me, comes to mind every day. Need to look into this more. But, anyway, leave it however you want to leave it, then! Be that way! LOL!

Jesus was all man...called himself the SON of man
Two references to him being tempted as we are tempted
Jesus was in the flesh...he hungered, thirsted, hurt, wept, bled, tired, died etc....and to say that his temptations were some how not the same that we have is ridiculous and denies the very scriptures that teach otherwise....

NO WAY HE CAN understand our temptations/trials if his temptations and trials were not comparable to ours......

 

[psychomom]

Jesus had emotions, Jesus had needs, Jesus had temptation. A thought can flutter through our mind, an emotion can surge through our veins, a desire can grab at our heart, a fear can make the blood run cold, an image can snatch the attention of our eyes. And we will be tempted to validate those feelings and thoughts by acting out. It is at that point we must decide to obey God or obey our own selfish motives.

James 1:14-15
But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

somehow, in God's economy when it comes to Jesus, 100% plus 100% equals 100%.
fully God; fully man.

seems James is telling us there's a progression, and a line which our Lord Jesus
never crossed.

another nice one, Violet!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Jesus was all man...called himself the SON of man
Two references to him being tempted as we are tempted
Jesus was in the flesh...he hungered, thirsted, hurt, wept, bled, tired, died etc....and to say that his temptations were some how not the same that we have is ridiculous and denies the very scriptures that teach otherwise....

NO WAY HE CAN understand our temptations/trials if his temptations and trials were not comparable to ours......

It seems there may be an issue of nuance, semantics. Nobody is disputing our Lord's experience of all human plight, the question whether God could make the sin choice you might say, then, could do the evil. This I can't see, that he was tempted, as in, considering the evil choice and lacking spiritual strength to avoid the fall. This is regardless an identical presentation of all conditions of the temptation laid before any man. But this is all more splitting hairs, when, at least, I know what I'm talking about is whether God could sin like me, when He never did, strong evidence He had something we don't, that is, He did: the Holy Spirit without measure.

 

[Jason0047]

In Luke chapter 5, before the Lord called Simon Peter as a disciple, Simon Peter calls Jesus, “Master” (Teacher) because Jesus was teaching from the boat he borrowed from him. But when Jesus performed a miracle that caused Peter to catch so many fish his boat almost sank, Peter was shocked, realizing Jesus was greater than who he imagined him to be. Peter fell down in trembling amazement at Jesus’ feet and called him, “Lord!” And Peter confessed his sinfulness.

I love this story because it emphasizes that Jesus is more than what our carnal minds can imagine him to be. He is exactly who he says he is. But our tiny minds sometimes can’t perceive Jesus Christ in reality. Nevertheless, what the Bible says is absolutely true.

The word says Jesus was tempted in every way that we are tempted. Hebrews 4 stresses the point by reminding us that our High Priest understands because he was tempted just like us.

Remember how Jesus wept when Mary & Martha cried, “Lord, if you were here our brother would not have died.” Do you know why Jesus wept? He was disturbed with anger at their unbelief that he could raise Lazarus from the dead. Do you want proof?

In John 11:12, Jesus told the disciples, “Let’s go now for I have to raise my friend Lazarus up from sleep (death). “ There was no reason for Jesus to cry over his friend’s death. He knew Lazarus was coming back to life soon. Jesus waited on purpose for Lazarus to die so people would see the power of God when Jesus resurrected him.

When Jesus arrived at Lazarus’ tomb, Mary & Martha doubted his power and cried in anguish because he arrived too late. In John 11:33 It reads: When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.
The Greek translation reads: Jesus was so agitated in his spirit, he was moved to anger.
In fact, Jesus was so angry, he wept! The mourners were saying, “Oh look, he’s crying! He must have loved Lazarus. But why couldn’t he have kept him from dying? He healed the blind but he couldn’t heal Lazarus.” Jesus reprimanded them, “Didn’t I tell you I am the Resurrection and the Life? Don’t you believe me?”
The Bible says Jesus was disturbed with anger again as he walked to the tomb of Lazarus. And then he prayed, “Father, thank you that you have heard my prayer.” Jesus was thanking God for an answer to prayer even before he received the answer! But he was saying the prayer aloud so people would believe the power of God. Then it said Jesus yelled loudly, “Lazarus, come forth!”
My point is, Jesus was ticked off to the point of tears. He was so disturbed by their unbelief that he broke down and cried.
If the Word of God says that Jesus was tempted in every way that we are, it means exactly that. There is no room for doubt. He was 100% God in Spirit. And he was 100% mankind in his body. And he was committed to God’s will so faithfully that he did not sin.
Why do you think it was important for the Bible to tell us that the devil tempted Jesus to the point where angels had to minister to him afterwards? Why do you think the Bible tells us Jesus sweat drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane? Why do you think Jesus yelled in agony, “Why did you forsake me, Father?” Why was it important for the Word to inform us that Jesus cried, “I thirst!” while he hung on the cross?

Because Jesus is our example, our High Priest who demonstrated how it is possible to learn obedience to God and overcome temptation to sin. How? By believing the Word of God.

Check out the Modern Translations of John 11:33. Jesus wept because he felt sorrow over their sorrow.

 

[Jason0047]

James 1:14-15
But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

somehow, in God's economy when it comes to Jesus, 100% plus 100% equals 100%.
fully God; fully man.

seems James is telling us there's a progression, and a line which our Lord Jesus
never crossed.

another nice one, Violet!

Yes, I believe Jesus never lusted (Which is what is involved in wrong temptation). For if Jesus did lust, then it would have been wrong because Jesus said to lust after a woman was to commit adultery already in one's heart. I don't believe Jesus lusted (or desired something wrongfully). He was the Holy Son of God.

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus was all man...called himself the SON of man
Two references to him being tempted as we are tempted
Jesus was in the flesh...he hungered, thirsted, hurt, wept, bled, tired, died etc....and to say that his temptations were some how not the same that we have is ridiculous and denies the very scriptures that teach otherwise....

NO WAY HE CAN understand our temptations/trials if his temptations and trials were not comparable to ours......

I believe Jesus suppressed the divine attribute of Omniscience (i.e. to be all knowing). So I am not denying Jesus Christ was like a man. But if you were to read Philippians 2:6-9, it says he was made in the likeness of men. He had flesh and blood as we do (That was from Adam). But he was yet not like us, because He was also God, who is Eternal, divine, and holy, too.

However, what you are ignoring is in your defining "Temptation." Is not wrong desire Temptation? Is not "lust" defined as wrong desire or internal temptation? How can you not see this as wrong?