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J
A rather precarious point to put forth, since John the Baptist lived his entire life under the Old Covenant, prior to Christ's atonement. You're also opening yourself up to such as a doctrine of castoff, where John the Baptist surely had sufficient magic water spray and splatter exposure, in the course of baptizing. You can add the fact the locust he ate were Kosher: you're opening it up for the Pharisees and trolls of CC to devour you! (And, though it's never happened before, it's possible this could devolve into a faith versus works thread. I know there are those who disagree there's anything else to do with a Bible, but just sayin'...)
More heresy...The Law and Prophets were until John...Jesus called forth his church which is spoken of in the present tense twice before the event of the cross...your water for salvation is heresy and your ignorant view of N.T. salvation as opposed to O.T. salvation misses the mark as BOTH were saved based upon faith!
Heb 9:16,17 it was not possible for Christ's NT to take effect before Christ died, it had to take effect AFTER He died and John died before Christ. Therefore John was never under the NT law....."For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
The church did not begin until Pentecost Acts 2 which was some time AFTER John's death.
I think it's good that we keep challenging, sharpening, and reinforcing one another. It probably good to practice putting fires out if they should erupt. It teaches us kindness and patience. I need lots of practice in these areas. A soft answer turns away wrath. I need to learn to put this in shoe leather.
The thief on the cross is always the classic response. I hadn't been aware, until now, that there were so many others. Thanks, phil112 and dcontroversal.
The thief on the cross is always the classic response. I hadn't been aware, until now, that there were so many others. Thanks, phil112 and dcontroversal.
J
Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
(As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every
male that openeth the womb shall be called holy
to the Lord. Luke 2:23
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost.
even from his mother's womb.
The vow of a Nazarite vow is written in
Numbers 6:2-8 whereby all the days of
separation they shall be holy unto the LORD
one might consider that John was baptized from the womb?
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Eccleasiates
9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Men's spirits all return to the Lord for holding .... and will awake either here [1 Corinthians 15: 20-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18], or here [Revelation 20:13-20]
9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Men's spirits all return to the Lord for holding .... and will awake either here [1 Corinthians 15: 20-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18], or here [Revelation 20:13-20]
K
Baptism may not have been a requirement in the OT, but there was symbolism for it in the OT and the NT spoke of how the OT saints were baptized.
Exodus 19:10-11
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Exodus 29:4
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.
Hebrews 9:18-20
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
1 Corinthians 10:1-2
For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea
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can we not go through this all over again (baptism argument,) just three weeks ago this was a thread my goodness cant we be more about kingdom work and soul winning instead of meandering over just fluff and stuff talking but saying nothing I mean really where else was it for John the Baptist to go sheesh! Then people get drawn in to the foolishness of the question. The intent is what? Where did John the Baptist go if he didn't go to heaven then its only one other place. I'm no brain surgeon but seems clear to me.
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