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Those that hold replacement theology of various sects of professing Christianity
The Lord is addressing the "church" in Revelation 2; 3 .... and gives the positives and negatives
He is against this hijacking of national Israel's position by those Gentiles who claim to be the "spiritual" Israel of God [Romans 11:18; Revelation 2:9; 3:9]
The Lord is addressing the "church" in Revelation 2; 3 .... and gives the positives and negatives
He is against this hijacking of national Israel's position by those Gentiles who claim to be the "spiritual" Israel of God [Romans 11:18; Revelation 2:9; 3:9]
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J
Revelation 2:8-9 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
This is from Revelation 2:9 and scripture often misused to try and legitimize antisemitism, people saying things like all the Jews in Israel are fake, or all Jews are Satanic. This is a preposterous lie. As to the scripture, in Christ's time there were persecuting and blaspheming Jews, even in the face of Christ, and Christ told this bunch they are of their father, the devil. But this was not all Jews, and this was not to say the Jews of the synagogue of Satan were not hereditary and practicing Jews, in fact, but of evil hearts of Satan, not recognizing their own God and His own church, like the hateful Scribes and Pharisees that sorely persecuted Christians. The early church had very hard times, from Jewish and gentile opposition. And apparently, in Smyrna, there was a synagogue and example of these hateful, persecuting Jews.
This is from Revelation 2:9 and scripture often misused to try and legitimize antisemitism, people saying things like all the Jews in Israel are fake, or all Jews are Satanic. This is a preposterous lie. As to the scripture, in Christ's time there were persecuting and blaspheming Jews, even in the face of Christ, and Christ told this bunch they are of their father, the devil. But this was not all Jews, and this was not to say the Jews of the synagogue of Satan were not hereditary and practicing Jews, in fact, but of evil hearts of Satan, not recognizing their own God and His own church, like the hateful Scribes and Pharisees that sorely persecuted Christians. The early church had very hard times, from Jewish and gentile opposition. And apparently, in Smyrna, there was a synagogue and example of these hateful, persecuting Jews.
Israel is the world and 10 "lost" tribes. They are such because they (we) are blind. True "Jews" however is not of any particular race of the flesh. They are spiritual or those who have crucified the flesh to live and walk in the Spirit. Jews have nothing to do with race, as in Christ we all are one.
J
It's none of our business. The Lord separates the sheep from the goats in due time, judgment and vengeance His, not ours: national Israel is national Israel. God has His plan for Israel we would be wise, do best, to not kick against. And as if Israel's antichrist Muslim neighbors had any virtue to crow about. Funny one never hears these things about, for instance, how we should do mean things to Canada for bad Canadians, maybe cut off trade, go up there and separate them all out? Which of you can divide souls and spirits, can substitute for God?
From Pulpit Commentary:
The Philadelphian Christians are told that they shall be victorious over their Jewish opponents. As before (Revelation 2:9), those who "say they are Jews, and they are not," are Jews who refuse to believe in the Messiah and reject the Gospel. The only true Jews are those who accept the Christ. They are not, but do lie. Antithetic parallelism, as in ver. 8 and Revelation 2:13. I will make them to come and worship at thy feet. This would be fulfilled when the destruction of Jerusalem drove large numbers of Jews into Asia Minor. Every city which had previously had a Jewish colony would then receive a great influx of refugees. This augmented Jewish settlement at Philadelphia was to furnish some converts to the Christian Church; but, as we learn from the epistles of Ignatius, these converts tainted the Church with a stubborn form of Judaistic error. Hence the need of the warning in ver. 11. Compare "The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet" (Isaiah 60:14; Isaiah 49:23). Know that I have loved thee. The "I" is emphatic: "I will cause them to recoginize that in this you received a blessing manifestly Divine."
They are not Jews, Christ taught this because it exposed who the" evil doers are in this world today .
they worked their selves into the priest hood before Christ was here. They are Kenites. They eventually became preist, by sneaking their way into the temple, eventually replacing all the priests of Levi .And God would use them too.
1 Chronicles 2:55 King James Version
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
These are also the Canaanites, from the land they dwelled .
In Joshah 9, you see there, they tricked the Israelites into a agreement to be servants, in the hose of the Lord. So in time you can track them that they took over the priesthood, and they caused the death of Christ, because they would have been in full control by that time. Christ would call them offspring of Satan, and children of the first murder.
H7017
קיני קיני
qêynîy qîynîy
{kay-nee'} kee-nee'
Patronymic from H7014 ; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin: - Kenite.
H7014
קין
qayin
kah'-yin
The same as H7013 (with a play upon the affinity to H7069 );
{Kajin} the name of the first {child} also of a place in {Palestine} and of an Oriental tribe: - {Cain} Kenite (-s).
( Orient, meaning East, to where Cain was banished. Settling history shows in Iraq, and even traveling further east to the Mongolia area )
John 8:44King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
they worked their selves into the priest hood before Christ was here. They are Kenites. They eventually became preist, by sneaking their way into the temple, eventually replacing all the priests of Levi .And God would use them too.
1 Chronicles 2:55 King James Version
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
These are also the Canaanites, from the land they dwelled .
In Joshah 9, you see there, they tricked the Israelites into a agreement to be servants, in the hose of the Lord. So in time you can track them that they took over the priesthood, and they caused the death of Christ, because they would have been in full control by that time. Christ would call them offspring of Satan, and children of the first murder.
H7017
קיני קיני
qêynîy qîynîy
{kay-nee'} kee-nee'
Patronymic from H7014 ; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin: - Kenite.
H7014
קין
qayin
kah'-yin
The same as H7013 (with a play upon the affinity to H7069 );
{Kajin} the name of the first {child} also of a place in {Palestine} and of an Oriental tribe: - {Cain} Kenite (-s).
( Orient, meaning East, to where Cain was banished. Settling history shows in Iraq, and even traveling further east to the Mongolia area )
John 8:44King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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also read Ezra 8, Ezra finds out what has happened. But also mistakenly sends one; to look for Levites. He only found
[h=3]Nethinim there are hired hands, of Kenites working in the priest hood, They took over the priestly duties. [/h] [SUP]
Ezra 8
5 [/SUP]And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the people, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi.
I think I gave you enough info for you to make a good study on your own.
[h=3]Nethinim there are hired hands, of Kenites working in the priest hood, They took over the priestly duties. [/h] [SUP]
Ezra 8
5 [/SUP]And I gathered them together to the river that runneth to Ahava; and there abode we in tents three days: and I viewed the people, and the priests, and found there none of the sons of Levi.
I think I gave you enough info for you to make a good study on your own.
"A true Jew are those in the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who also have true faith"
Pure and simple truth
And I will point out that the post just above is the false teaching of Arnold Murray of the Shepard's Chapel of the serpent seed dogma
Murray is one of the most virulent and vocal "Jew" haters on the earth today .... look him up on the Internet
.... replacement theology to the max
But not the only one .... the RCC is the biggest, and the reformers and later re-constructionist movements are next, but in a more subtle way
The Gentile "church" has hijacked national Israel's position for themselves in various ways over the last 2000 years .... a very apostate behavior
The Lord intends to carry out His plan for national Israel .... no doubt, very clear [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Romans 11; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]
Those who call Israel in the land today "fake Jews" are hiding the truth for protecting their own proprietary dogmas ... beware of them .... there is a rat in the wood pile
Satan hates the Lord who is a "Jew" by His humanity [Revelation 5:5] and Israel
This devil will set out to destroy the tiny nation by his Muslim followers and will receive his due reward [Revelation 20:1-3]
And He will try again and meet his own destruction [Revelation 20:10]
Pure and simple truth
And I will point out that the post just above is the false teaching of Arnold Murray of the Shepard's Chapel of the serpent seed dogma
Murray is one of the most virulent and vocal "Jew" haters on the earth today .... look him up on the Internet
.... replacement theology to the max
But not the only one .... the RCC is the biggest, and the reformers and later re-constructionist movements are next, but in a more subtle way
The Gentile "church" has hijacked national Israel's position for themselves in various ways over the last 2000 years .... a very apostate behavior
The Lord intends to carry out His plan for national Israel .... no doubt, very clear [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; 38; 39; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Romans 11; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]
Those who call Israel in the land today "fake Jews" are hiding the truth for protecting their own proprietary dogmas ... beware of them .... there is a rat in the wood pile
Satan hates the Lord who is a "Jew" by His humanity [Revelation 5:5] and Israel
This devil will set out to destroy the tiny nation by his Muslim followers and will receive his due reward [Revelation 20:1-3]
And He will try again and meet his own destruction [Revelation 20:10]
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