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Jruiz

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. -Mathew 5:17

I'm confused, why don't we go by the Old Testament laws? And can someone explain the New Covenant?
 

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. -Mathew 5:17

I'm confused, why don't we go by the Old Testament laws? And can someone explain the New Covenant?
Just like Jesus said, he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. What is fulfilled is no longer of force. This is explained by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 9.
 
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Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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Jesus is the only man to ever keep the whole law, and without sin, which allowed him to be the one and only Messiah and Mediator between God and men. He is the only acceptable sacrifice for the sins of humanity. The righteousness of Christ and biblical justification is applied unto the true believer which allows us to stand in an accepted position before God the Father as a son or daughter of God based upon his sinless sacrifice while becoming sin for us!
 

Jruiz

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Hmm..?? I think I'll just Google it.. :)
 
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. -Mathew 5:17

I'm confused, why don't we go by the Old Testament laws? And can someone explain the New Covenant?
Full-fill what was said of Him. A virgin shall conceive and bare a child ( Isaiah ) , He would teach God's words not of Himself. Moses taught of Him also, the prophet ( Duet 18 etc ,)
to come, also the Psalms, of David, the priest, and the King.

Luke 24:44King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
etc

John 5:46-47King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 6:14King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.




Not in the sense to do away with the law. What was done away with was the blood ordinance to forgive sin. Naturally He would the offering for our sins, for one and all time, when we believed and repented of them.

There is a teaching of the Sabbath, as Christ was that rest for our souls. So there was a deeper meaning to that. So all laws are very much in effect . Try braking a law, and see what happens . We repent because we broke God's law, which points out our sins, then we die, unless we repent and believe upon Christ.

So what Christ said is true. He did Not do away with the law. Even though in English this is tricky to pick up on in Pauls writings, Paul confirmed this.


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Jruiz

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No..never read whole book.
 

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No..never read whole book.
The Hebrew writer goes to great length to explain the reason the first covenant was taken out of the way and replaced by the new covenant.
 

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Okay..so we are to obey the laws of the Old Testament? Like the ten commandments...that's it? I just don't get why Christians say "oh,were not under the law,it's a new covenant".
 

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Okay..so we are to obey the laws of the Old Testament? Like the ten commandments...that's it? I just don't get why Christians say "oh,were not under the law,it's a new covenant".
The ten commandments are nothing more than the embodiment of eternal principles that are rooted in the reality of God and man's relationship to God. The New testament as well as the OT are built on these generalized principles. There is a great deal more to the "Old covenant" than just the 10 commandments.
 
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Okay..so we are to obey the laws of the Old Testament? Like the ten commandments...that's it? I just don't get why Christians say "oh,were not under the law,it's a new covenant".
well there is the first pitfall , dont take a persons word for what God's words say ( even if they claim the title Christian ), unless you study to show yourself approved.

Because you can take it to the bank, the majority of Christians have no clue what is written in the Bible with understanding . Don't listen to me, or anyone, unless you first study these things also.



To avoid danger , if some one says a thing is so, you quadruple check it out yourself with study into the Bible until you understand .That way in time ideally, you''ll see who knows anything if at all.

At least you'll study and know yourself what God teaches.
If you don't know the Bible with understanding, that represents weak points in your armor or outright holes.
 
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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,

he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 

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Hmm..?? I think I'll just Google it.. :)
Rather, you should 'Concordance it'

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:13)
 

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Okay..so we are to obey the laws of the Old Testament? Like the ten commandments...that's it? I just don't get why Christians say "oh,were not under the law,it's a new covenant".
It's because that's what Paul said...

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Rom 6:14-15)

And I'll let you figure out that even though we are not under law, yet we are not to sin.
 
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Okay..so we are to obey the laws of the Old Testament? Like the ten commandments...that's it? I just don't get why Christians say "oh,were not under the law,it's a new covenant".
Good question Jruiz, it's been causing some what of a stir around here lately but yeah, you follow this, you follow Gods law.

Matthew 22:34-40 (KJV)


34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Some think this isn't important but I'd beg to differ... It's very important to be conscious and live righteously, or we can just fall back to the world like everybody else... If we slip up, it's ok, sincerely repent, turn away from it, and let God discipline and fix it. :)
 
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. -Mathew 5:17

I'm confused, why don't we go by the Old Testament laws? And can someone explain the New Covenant?

Well we don't sacrifice animals because Jesus was the perfect Passover Lamb who died for our sins. Many of the OT laws are also replaced by things Jesus taught.

For example, people no longer stone people who commit adultery.

I think if you truly want to know the answers you should read the Bible.

I feel like I should warn you that you will get many responses that contradict each other on this forum and googling it will give you even more.

I suggest you pray about it and allow God to help you determine truth from lies. Its part of becoming a mature Christian.
 
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STLfan

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3 "dispensations" equalling 1"age"

1st Dispensation (of conscience) - - Adam to Abraham.
2nd Dispensation (of Law) - - Abraham to Jesus
3rd Dispensation (of Grace) - - Jesus to the Rapture

Each dispensation was a more complete revelation of the Godhead, adding to what came before. Therefore Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5, 6, 7), gave us a "New Covenant", washed in His blood (Luke 22:20) freeing us from much - not all - of the requirements of Law. For instance, we are to follow the command "Do no murder" but the blood sacrifices required (as types of Christ) we are no longer answerable for, being taken away by our Lord.
 

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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. -Mathew 5:17

I'm confused, why don't we go by the Old Testament laws? And can someone explain the New Covenant?

before, laws and ceremonies and sacrifices were given by which people could be sanctified, justified and for sins to be forgiven by.

now, we are justified by God's grace through Christ, sanctified in Him and our sins atoned for by one sacrifice, that of Jesus at the cross.

before, rules and regulations and laws were given by which men could be righteous, and make their ways right before God.

now, God has put His Spirit in us, teaching and showing us the things of Christ, and through the working and leading of this Spirit, we take on the righteousness of Christ. He has written in our hearts the law, become our righteousness, and given of Himself to us a Comforter that tells us the way, and in Him we are at peace with God.

before, regulations and ceremony set the people of Israel apart, by circumcision and by diet and by dress and festivals and other things.

now, the Spirit of God that He gives to every one of His sheep sets us apart, and is the evidence and seal of our redemption. He circumcises our hearts; He puts love in us, and it becomes the evidence that we are His people!


and more, more, more..!!!

see how He has fulfilled in Himself, but not abolished the law?
He finished the law -- the end of the law is righteousness, mercy, justice and knowledge of God - - all these things, we have in Christ, because He has given us life in Him, and made us all live and take part in Him, and see that everything apart from Him is death, just like everything that was outside of the law was condemned. in becoming like Him, the law is perfected in us too, but through grace, we are not condemned under it any more, but still instructed. where we fail, we are chastised by Him, redeemed and re-constructed, rather than destroyed by the curses of the law.

Christ has become the end of the law - the goal of it, the completeness of it :)