Geocentricity-An inconvenient truth

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
ChosenbyHim

ChosenbyHim

Senior Member
#1
Sep 19, 2011
3,343
114
63
#1
Geocentricity-An inconvenient truth

[video=youtube_share;gld_jlsxPP4]http://youtu.be/gld_jlsxPP4[/video]

Published on Nov 22, 2014

Description:

In this video I address the subject of Geocentricity, the view that the earth is not moving and is the center of the universe, as opposed to the popular view of Heliocentricity, the view that the earth rotates and moves around the Sun.
This is the view that the KJB teaches and many pastors and teachers, who claim they believe the KJB, reject, believing 'science falsely so called' instead.


 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#2
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#2
this rests on willful ignorance of plainly observable physics and fantastically poor exegesis of scripture, IMHO.
 
SoulWeaver

SoulWeaver

Senior Member
#3
Oct 25, 2014
4,889
2,534
113
#3
Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

This is a sure proof enough for heliocentric system. God made physical things so we can rightly understand spiritual truths (Rom 1:20). Jesus wont revolve around clay.
 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#4
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#4
i like how in 'big bang' models of the universe, everything is drawn to the origin of all things :)

to me, whoah, profound!

even if i don't believe 'science' (collectively, mankind) understands true cosmology, this is what the universe the Almighty made appears like, and the lessons it teaches us. that all things were not, and then were, and originated from one source, and from that source all things were sent out, but to that source all things are drawn!

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead
(Romans 1:20)
 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#5
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#5
gravity ~ love your neighbor, anyone?
 
SoulWeaver

SoulWeaver

Senior Member
#6
Oct 25, 2014
4,889
2,534
113
#6
posthuman said:
gravity ~ love your neighbor, anyone?
Click to expand...
To me it's more like, spit towards the Heaven and it shall fall on your own face. :D
Or throw a rock towards Heavens and it... you get it. :)
Praise? That goes up high.
 
Last edited:
Nautilus

Nautilus

Senior Member
#7
Jun 29, 2012
6,488
53
48
#7
seeing how this planet has had many space missions with astronauts and the such unless you are actively saying they are lying and that we don't revolve around the sun which even breaks the most basic laws of gravity.... If thats the case ill just chalk this up to more nonsense from your cult.
 
maxwel

maxwel

Senior Member
#9
Apr 18, 2013
9,327
2,416
113
#9
Odd Theory.

But most people think THEY are the center of the universe,
so I guess it could be worse.

: )
 
G

Gadget

Guest
#10
#10
Who? wha? um... huh?

I have no words for this except "Okay, push the button, the experiment has failed."
 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#12
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#12
ChristIsGod said:
Never heard of it and didn't watch the posted video but just did a Search on this and only copied a few so far.

The Institute for Creation Research


Geocentricity has proof; sun revolves around earth


SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION OF GEOCENTRICITY


Geocentricity: Face the Facts | The Copernican Revolution | Evolution


Geocentrism


Hmm - lots of reading to do, another day.
Click to expand...

i guess if i'm going to naysay the idea, i should give some more specific reasons.. so..

while you're reading, here's some things geocentrism can't explain, that you might not get any info about by only reading geocentrist websites:


  • Foucault's pendulum demonstrates the rotation of the earth; without such rotation there is no reason for the pendulum to rotate its plane of swing.
  • A non-rotating earth would require the outer planets and the stars to be moving at excessive (translight?) speeds. Measurements of relative motion between the earth and the nearer planets indicate that the other planets are not moving fast enough for the earth to be stationary.
  • Differences in escape velocity at the poles vs the equator wouldn't exist on a non-rotating planet. Similarly, satellites in geostationary orbit would be motionless over a non-rotating planet, and would simply fall down.
  • The Coriolis effect would not exist on a stationary earth.
  • Earthquakes, including those induced by placing explosives in geological fault-lines, can produce measurable changes in the earth's rotation. If the earth is in fact stationary, this would mean that events on earth can instantaneously affect the motions of stars many many light-years away.
  • The orbit of the earth around the sun is used as a baseline for measuring distance to stars using the parallax method - if the earth was stationary this ought not to be possible.
  • The relative frequency of shooting stars before/after midnight indicates that the earth is both rotating and moving through space.
  • The red shift measured in stars' spectra changes in an annual cycle; if the earth is not circling the sun, then stars must be constantly accelerating/decelerating in something akin to a 'Mexican wave'.
 
J

JesusIsAll

Guest
#13
#13
Interesting video, but it could have been longer. You didn't say anything about how you got frozen, what it was like to be thawed out after 800 years, what your first impression was of motor vehicles or sliced bread?
 
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#15
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#15
& as far as the sun standing still and the shadow of it moving back 10*, it is not different from the perspective of Joshua or from Ezekiel, if the Earth rotated backwards, or if the whole universe rotated backwards, according to the command of God. so this question is not about a cosmology, but did God shake the whole universe for these signs, or just the earth? (yes, the 'immovable' earth can be shaken - Joel 2:10, for example)

it is not "twisting" or "avoiding" these verses.

but are the things written to us given to us so that we can understand them from our perspective or from the perspective of God?

For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him
(Psalm 103:11)

As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
(Isaiah 55:9)

God is in heaven and you are on earth
(Ecclesiastes 5:2)

now if God is in heaven, high above earth, and the Word is given to us from His perspective, not in ours, so that we may understand it, how is it that the scripture doesn't say "the heavens are lower" but says "the heavens are higher" ?
if this saying is from God's perspective, why doesn't He say "your ways are lower" instead of "my ways are higher" ? in fact He says we cannot understand His ways! we cannot​ see from His perspective!

He has set all things beneath Christ's feet! is Christ upside-down, revolving around us?

all this is built on wrongly understanding this passage from Psalms (and others like it):

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
(Psalm 96:10)

the scripture uses the same language for "not be moved" or "not shaken" or "not removed" to describe Jerusalem (e.g. Isaiah 33:20).

does this "prove" Zion is the physical center of the universe? but wait - there's more:

A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth: he will guide his affairs with discretion.
Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.
(Psalm 112:5-6)

so a good and righteous man is the center of the universe?

maybe so. if we are ourselves righteous, it is because we have in us the Spirit of the Almighty.
the Creator and Sustainer of all things has set His name on Zion.
the Word became flesh and dwelt on earth among us.

God is the center of the universe, a rock that cannot be moved. if He is in us, and we are in Him, then all things are working together for our good in Him -- i.e. the whole universe is revolving around those that believe.

this is speaking in spirit, not carnal physics. it is well not to confuse the two, IMHO :)


 
Last edited:
posthuman

posthuman

Senior Member
#16
Jul 31, 2013
36,647
13,121
113
#16
JesusIsAll said:
But maybe he lives on the equator and doesn't get out much.
Click to expand...
maybe he is not very tall and hasn't noticed coriolis forces, having never climbed a ladder or a staircase. i can't tell from the video

:D
 
J

JesusIsAll

Guest
#17
#17
posthuman said:
maybe he is not very tall and hasn't noticed coriolis forces, having never climbed a ladder or a staircase. i can't tell from the video

:D
Click to expand...
Never knew that aspect of it! Alright, then. I'm going to collect apologies from every soul who ever called me a clutz.
 
J

JesusIsAll

Guest
#18
#18
Any other aspects of this one could file away? Ways of excusing one's self, "The Coriolis made me do it!"
 
J

JesusIsAll

Guest
#19
#19
Can't help but marvel over the luck of the draw of NASA or those who've put hundreds of satellites up there, got it right, despite being wrong about the motion of the planets.
 
thecreationtutor

thecreationtutor

Senior Member
#20
Jun 30, 2011
2,521
35
0
#20
posthuman said:

i guess if i'm going to naysay the idea, i should give some more specific reasons.. so..

while you're reading, here's some things geocentrism can't explain, that you might not get any info about by only reading geocentrist websites:


  • Foucault's pendulum demonstrates the rotation of the earth; without such rotation there is no reason for the pendulum to rotate its plane of swing.
  • A non-rotating earth would require the outer planets and the stars to be moving at excessive (translight?) speeds. Measurements of relative motion between the earth and the nearer planets indicate that the other planets are not moving fast enough for the earth to be stationary.
  • Differences in escape velocity at the poles vs the equator wouldn't exist on a non-rotating planet. Similarly, satellites in geostationary orbit would be motionless over a non-rotating planet, and would simply fall down.
  • The Coriolis effect would not exist on a stationary earth.
  • Earthquakes, including those induced by placing explosives in geological fault-lines, can produce measurable changes in the earth's rotation. If the earth is in fact stationary, this would mean that events on earth can instantaneously affect the motions of stars many many light-years away.
  • The orbit of the earth around the sun is used as a baseline for measuring distance to stars using the parallax method - if the earth was stationary this ought not to be possible.
  • The relative frequency of shooting stars before/after midnight indicates that the earth is both rotating and moving through space.
  • The red shift measured in stars' spectra changes in an annual cycle; if the earth is not circling the sun, then stars must be constantly accelerating/decelerating in something akin to a 'Mexican wave'.
Click to expand...

Here is more

Geo centrism only works day to day view

what about ever 30 days the lunar cycle

what about ever 6 month's the other planets - retrograde motion

The change in constellations that we see
 
You must log in or register to reply here.