If your a female and talk in church you are sinning
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"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28
Context is everything! Who was Paul talking to in 1 Corinthians? A church filled with uneducated women who were causing problems. In fact, the men were strongly chastised in the book for things they were doing! Read the whole book.
If women are a different class of people, as the OP suggests (the silent ones!), then why would Paul contradict himself in Gal. 3:28? I don't believe Paul is contradicting himself, but rather stating the universal principle in the Galatians verse. Because ALL means all!
Therefore, when seeking to exegete 1 Cor. 14, we need to look at context, and at what Paul says elsewhere. What he says is we are all equal in Christ, therefore the admonition in 1 Cor. 14 is local, and/or cultural.
Context is everything! Who was Paul talking to in 1 Corinthians? A church filled with uneducated women who were causing problems. In fact, the men were strongly chastised in the book for things they were doing! Read the whole book.
If women are a different class of people, as the OP suggests (the silent ones!), then why would Paul contradict himself in Gal. 3:28? I don't believe Paul is contradicting himself, but rather stating the universal principle in the Galatians verse. Because ALL means all!
Therefore, when seeking to exegete 1 Cor. 14, we need to look at context, and at what Paul says elsewhere. What he says is we are all equal in Christ, therefore the admonition in 1 Cor. 14 is local, and/or cultural.
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Genesis explains very clearly why we see this attitude:
God told ADAM not to eat of the tree
Eve was deceived but Adam DELIBERATELY sinned. ( We see that God speaks to Adam very differently to Eve after the fall when He says "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you "YOU must not eat of it". These words were not spoken to Eve)
As a result of MAN deliberately disobeying God HE needs to learn to listen to God.
God WARNS Eve that her husband will now rule over her BECAUSE OF SIN. The original command of " you have dominion over the plants and animals" will now get so distorted man will want to rule and control women.
How do we know it was a warning? Because God did not then say to Adam " I now give you dominion over your wife".
It is a direct result of MANS sin that they try and use scripture to control. Their very nature will always go against " it is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free".
This is why Jesus had to have no earthly father to be born without sin.
REAL Godly men will bring FREEDOM to a woman. Sinful ones will go against God, walk in the original sin and try and control them
God told ADAM not to eat of the tree
Eve was deceived but Adam DELIBERATELY sinned. ( We see that God speaks to Adam very differently to Eve after the fall when He says "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you "YOU must not eat of it". These words were not spoken to Eve)
As a result of MAN deliberately disobeying God HE needs to learn to listen to God.
God WARNS Eve that her husband will now rule over her BECAUSE OF SIN. The original command of " you have dominion over the plants and animals" will now get so distorted man will want to rule and control women.
How do we know it was a warning? Because God did not then say to Adam " I now give you dominion over your wife".
It is a direct result of MANS sin that they try and use scripture to control. Their very nature will always go against " it is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free".
This is why Jesus had to have no earthly father to be born without sin.
REAL Godly men will bring FREEDOM to a woman. Sinful ones will go against God, walk in the original sin and try and control them
T
Jumped on this thread and was glad to see the user had been banned 
As I totally disagree.
Bad way of understanding these verses for sure.
As I totally disagree.
Bad way of understanding these verses for sure.
Its so sad that for centuries , men teaching men, this attitude still continues. Their twisted understanding of scripture constantly feeding that controlling attitude. Look at King James when he was translating the word, he chose the word "submit" rather than another translation of "be gently persuaded". Look at King Henry the 8th who actually made the first draft of the King James bible. He kept killing his wives due to his lack of respect. ( I love how God placed one of the strongest Queens after him that ruled England for over 40 years on his throne)
As a woman I was made in the image of God. My God IN ME is no greater or no lesser than God creating a man. Arrogance of man will see it different.
Now it was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles. (Luke 24:10)
Women were the first witnesses to an empty tomb and an announcement from angels about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus was dead and had become alive again.
The church was small that Sunday morning and it was the women who had a message to tell.
Women were the first witnesses to an empty tomb and an announcement from angels about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus was dead and had become alive again.
The church was small that Sunday morning and it was the women who had a message to tell.
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I find this to be highly womanish, and I am not offended.
Or should I say feminist?
If one is offended by what the word says, guess who needs to change? The Word or the self?
Notwithstanding, it seems to me that this topic has done been chewed on this Forum.
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I'm laughing too much to be offended...............the complete lack of understanding of Scripture exhibited here by some never ceases to humor me.....
I find this to be highly womanish, and I am not offended.
Or should I say feminist?
If one is offended by what the word says, guess who needs to change? The Word or the self?
Notwithstanding, it seems to me that this topic has done been chewed on this Forum.
END QUOTE...........
I'm laughing too much to be offended...............the complete lack of understanding of Scripture exhibited here by some never ceases to humor me.....
Jumped on this thread and was glad to see the user had been banned
As I totally disagree.
Bad way of understanding these verses for sure.
As I totally disagree.
Bad way of understanding these verses for sure.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
[ But then he goes on and said to the men]
36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
Didn't God had reached Ruth and Mary? Paul stating that God uses all, even the sons and daughters that will be prophesying in the future. But the devil is going to prevent those not to listen to one part of the body because of their gender, because he know that if a house is divided, it will no longer stand. So he send his angels, the pagan's to put his words in their thoughts.
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The context (historical, scriptural) helps... true, but it isn't EVERYTHING. It is however for liberal theologists, who try to 'render harmless' controversial passages through their farfetched, overcontextualized exegesis. Ultimately what helps us 'take God's Word for what it is' is NOT contextualization, but His Holy Spirit.
