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Flamingspirit

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I always thought that our goal was to defeat death? Why do we love instead to work for some restaurant or some firm or other business knowing the vanity and death it brings?

I believe that in Christ we can end deaths rule over us! But that will only happen when you all wake up and realize who you really are! God is not in any church, mosque, synagogue, temple, or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails!

He was in the one who BUILT the church, mosque, synagogue, temple or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails! But as men we then kneel to these things. The buildings don't talk, we do! They cannot hear or see, but we do!

Don't you see the war going on around you? Whether by disease or gun fire it is our "governments" that are trying to kill us. We have already been sold off!

What do you all think the real New Testament movement then was about? Men governing themselves no longer in need of a school teacher. I do not need a man to tell me how to live righteously nor to charge me for something we all make anyway. It's already ours!
 
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Flamingspirit said:
I always thought that our goal was to defeat death? Why do we love instead to work for some restaurant or some firm or other business knowing the vanity and death it brings?

I believe that in Christ we can end deaths rule over us! But that will only happen when you all wake up and realize who you really are! God is not in any church, mosque, synagogue, temple, or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails!

He was in the one who BUILT the church, mosque, synagogue, temple or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails! But as men we then kneel to these things. The buildings don't talk, we do! They cannot hear or see, but we do!

Don't you see the war going on around you? Whether by disease or gun fire it is our "governments" that are trying to kill us. We have already been sold off!

What do you all think the real New Testament movement then was about? Men governing themselves no longer in need of a school teacher. I do not need a man to tell me how to live righteously nor to charge me for something we all make anyway. It's already ours!
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Defeating death was never our goal, our goal was God. And you honestly think Ppl love to work? We work because it's how you survive not because we love to do it. You don't think ppl would love to never have to work and have everything handed to them in abundance? But that is not the world we live in, every since the fall of man we have had to work to get anything in life.
 
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Defeating death was never our goal, our goal was God. And you honestly think Ppl love to work? We work because it's how you survive not because we love to do it. You don't think ppl would love to never have to work and have everything handed to them in abundance? But that is not the world we live in, every since the fall of man we have had to work to get anything in life.
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Is death natural or a curse? What does the "fall of man" mean to you that we would rather hide behind this then to bring to light our real concerns. We work so hard to "survive" and yet by this death awaits.

Is this acceptable?
 
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Is death natural or a curse? What does the "fall of man" mean to you that we would rather hide behind this then to bring to light our real concerns. We work so hard to "survive" and yet by this death awaits.

Is this acceptable?
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It doesn't matter if death is natural or a curse that is irrelevant. ever since the fall of man when Adam and Eve sinned death is going to happen. Not only that but because they sinned they no longer could rest in God's generous and ever fruitful garden and had to learn to work to gain anything. Honestly I like hard work it teaches good values and responsibility and keeps us from being lazy. Some of the happiest men alive come home drenched in sweat and reeking to high heaven
 
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It doesn't matter if death is natural or a curse that is irrelevant. ever since the fall of man when Adam and Eve sinned death is going to happen. Not only that but because they sinned they no longer could rest in God's generous and ever fruitful garden and had to learn to work to gain anything. Honestly I like hard work it teaches good values and responsibility and keeps us from being lazy. Some of the happiest men alive come home drenched in sweat and reeking to high heaven
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What does Adam and Eve have to do with you? Work isn't what I'm against. It's what I'm working FOR that I oppose! Why are you against working for free so that all may live freely?
 
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Eccles.5:19 says it is a gift from God to find joy in your work. I have always loved my work, and found joy in it. So has my husband. Work has brought out all my creativity (which is also God given), and actually blessed others. But more than that, blessed me.

Can't really answer all these questions put out about death since I will never experience it. All I can know for sure is that I will just leave my body and be present with the Lord. Jesus tasted death for me.
 
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What does Adam and Eve have to do with you? Work isn't what I'm against. It's what I'm working FOR that I oppose! Why are you against working for free so that all may live freely?
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I am against it because it is not reality. Honestly flame you don't seem to get it, there is no working for free, there never has been and never will be. your money agenda is ridiculous, unrealistic and is consuming your mind. All your complaining on here won't do a thing, there are plenty of things I hate about the world we live in but I keep my heart mind and focus on God and don't go around constantly complaining about how society works.

I have been beyond patient with you flame, I have done all I could to reason with you but you just don't get it. Plenty of ppl here have tried to help you but it seems to me you don't want help you just ppl to see things your way.
 
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I am against it because it is not reality. Honestly flame you don't seem to get it, there is no working for free, there never has been and never will be. your money agenda is ridiculous, unrealistic and is consuming your mind. All your complaining on here won't do a thing, there are plenty of things I hate about the world we live in but I keep my heart mind and focus on God and don't go around constantly complaining about how society works.

I have been beyond patient with you flame, I have done all I could to reason with you but you just don't get it. Plenty of ppl here have tried to help you but it seems to me you don't want help you just ppl to see things your way.
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You make it seem like I'm the insane one. My mind is on God. This does not come from me. When you was a child, you understood these things.

Again if your heaven has rent due every month, what happens if you can't pay then?
 
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You make it seem like I'm the insane one. My mind is on God. This does not come from me. When you was a child, you understood these things.

Again if your heaven has rent due every month, what happens if you can't pay then?
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Your mind is not on God my friend it is on money. If it doesn't come from you then who does it come from? Because it isn't from God. God would rather our minds and hearts be directly on him not about the ways of the world. Your truth is not his truth and your thoughts are not his thoughts and If it is his thoughts please show me how this is from God
 
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Your mind is not on God my friend it is on money. If it doesn't come from you then who does it come from? Because it isn't from God. God would rather our minds and hearts be directly on him not about the ways of the world. Your truth is not his truth and your thoughts are not his thoughts and If it is his thoughts please show me how this is from God
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I don't do this for me. I can make money. I do this for all those who can't that you seem to ignore.

You won't see them on the news.
 
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I can quote many verses blain but this is something YOU must desire in order to see it clearly. Otherwise you will only reject it.
 
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While there are some who are called to spread the gospel as a profession, this is a not a calling for everyone. Furthermore, Paul worked as to not be financially a burden to others in the church, although he was a full time missionary:

Acts 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

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Proverbs 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands:
 
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HEB.9:27-28.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many,
and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time
without sin unto Salvation.
 
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I can quote many verses blain but this is something YOU must desire in order to see it clearly. Otherwise you will only reject it.
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So you can quote many verses how we need to be rid of money and work for free? If so please do.
I know of a few verses myself.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.


Ephesians 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. And what is it that ppl need? food, water, supplies and a warm home and what has gotten ppl this every since the beginning? Money and hard work to earn that money. Basically what you are saying is unless I want what you want I will never see, but tbh your motive for a moneyless world appears to be more of a personal motive. You claim it is for all ppl and from God but your words speak different
 
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Flamingspirit said:
I always thought that our goal was to defeat death? Why do we love instead to work for some restaurant or some firm or other business knowing the vanity and death it brings?

I believe that in Christ we can end deaths rule over us! But that will only happen when you all wake up and realize who you really are! God is not in any church, mosque, synagogue, temple, or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails!

He was in the one who BUILT the church, mosque, synagogue, temple or any other structure built with a hammer and some nails! But as men we then kneel to these things. The buildings don't talk, we do! They cannot hear or see, but we do!

Don't you see the war going on around you? Whether by disease or gun fire it is our "governments" that are trying to kill us. We have already been sold off!

What do you all think the real New Testament movement then was about? Men governing themselves no longer in need of a school teacher. I do not need a man to tell me how to live righteously nor to charge me for something we all make anyway. It's already ours!
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Another OP based totally on opinion, with no supporting scriptures! Not even in follow up posts!! This is why people get so off track and mixed up in their theology. Because they do not use the Bible as their starting, middle and end point!

Thanks to those who contributed to the thread with Scripture verses. Now that MEANT something to me!

Our goal is NOT to defeat death! Christ has already done that!

"5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." Romans 6:5-11
 
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Angela53510 said:
Another OP based totally on opinion, with no supporting scriptures! Not even in follow up posts!! This is why people get so off track and mixed up in their theology. Because they do not use the Bible as their starting, middle and end point!

Thanks to those who contributed to the thread with Scripture verses. Now that MEANT something to me!

Our goal is NOT to defeat death! Christ has already done that!

"5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.7 For one who has died has been set freefrom sin.8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." Romans 6:5-11
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If death is defeated, then why are we dying!? And do you always need to be shown a written command in order to do good? The law is for the lawless.
 
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Flamingspirit said:
If death is defeated, then why are we dying!?
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Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Hope this answers your question...
 
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Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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So you're saying that we are dying today as part of the second death? This is very true! Let's therefore be of the first resurrection.
 
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No, I am saying that the second death has no power over the believers.
Every man has died the first death (including all the apostles and prophets). Except Elijah, who was taken up alive, and this was to give a prophecy for the ascension of Jesus and us being caught up in the Spirit.
 
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No, I am saying that the second death has no power over the believers.
Every man has died the first death (including all the apostles and prophets). Except Elijah, who was taken up alive, and this was to give a prophecy for the ascension of Jesus and us being caught up in the Spirit.
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Sorry, I forgot Enoch.
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death;

The Old Testament had these physical manifestations as "type and shadow" of spiritual promises.
It was for a testimony that believers will not see spiritual death. We are not supposed to walk around now and try to hit stones to get water to flow out of it like Moses, because God simply doesnt operate in this way, with man overriding Him.
 
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