God Is Not The Father Of Everyone

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God is not the father of everyone, he is the father of the children of god, Yet God is the creator of everyone. The Devil is the father of the wicked

For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

as you see god is not the father of everyone, the devil is the father of the wicked and god is the father of the true children of god.

 

Yahshua

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I agree. I believe this is also why Christ says "The flesh benefits us in no way." and "you must be born again." "whoever love their life will lose it" and "who is my mother...brother but those who do the will of my Father". It's also why it says in John 1:12-13...


But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

There is a difference between being born of the flesh (i.e. "of the water"; amniotic sac; 1st Adam) and born of the spirit (2nd Adam); big difference in parentage. But we all must go through both births in order to inherit the kingdom.
 
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God is not the father of everyone, he is the father of the children of god, Yet God is the creator of everyone. The Devil is the father of the wicked

For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

as you see god is not the father of everyone, the devil is the father of the wicked and god is the father of the true children of god.

Matthew 13:25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

Matthew 15:13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.

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[h=3]Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.[/h]
 

GuessWho

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So what's the point of this thread?
Incite people to argue and inject anger in them? Looks like is something which the devil would aprove of.
Should I deduce that you are a child of the devil?
 
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So what's the point of this thread?
Incite people to argue and inject anger in them? Looks like is something which the devil would aprove of.
Should I deduce that you are a child of the devil?
its called an "unpopular bible doctrine" which people abhor
 
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Richie_2uk

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jesus also say's your father is the devil so you going to take "the good verse" and erase "the bad verse" like so many people do?
Jesus says that the devil is a father of lies. He dont say he is my father. However devil is the father of evil and sin. Can you share the scripture that says the devil is our father?
 
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Technically true. Altho He did create us, we are not His children until we are saved.

Romans 8:16 & 23 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father......................And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."
 
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Jesus says that the devil is a father of lies. He dont say he is my father. However devil is the father of evil and sin. Can you share the scripture that says the devil is our father?
"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does." John 8:44
 
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Richie_2uk

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"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does." John 8:44
Satan prompts men to excesses by which they murder themselves and others, while what he puts into the mind tends to ruin men's souls. He is the great promoter of falsehood of every kind. He is a liar, all his temptations are carried on by his calling evil good, and good evil, and promising freedom in sin. He is the author of all lies; whom liars resemble and obey, with whom all liars shall have their portion for ever. The special lusts of the devil are spiritual wickedness, the lusts of the mind, and corrupt reasonings, pride and envy, wrath and malice, enmity to good, and enticing others to evil. By the truth, here understand the revealed will of God as to the salvation of men by Jesus Christ, the truth Christ was now preaching, and which the Jews opposed.
 
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Richie_2uk

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The devil is your father if you are following him, that is what God is saying in that verse. He is not saying persay, that the Devil is your father. You are twisting the truth just like the devil does. Be careful, and speak of truth, and not of the devil's twisted lies.
 

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Op, I don't want to debate this thread because anyone can see its a trap to start arguing but I will say that every thread you have made so far has not edified the body of Christ but instead managed to divide and cause strife and cause strife. It is true that an unpopular doctrine if it is true must be taught but if it doesn't edify and teach others but instead divides and causes strife and anger with each other then what good is it?
 

GuessWho

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"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does." John 8:44
Why don't you give the entire context? Are you not interested at all in understanding to whom does Christ says these things and in what context?

[h=3]Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are[/h]31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did.40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil,and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”


 

GuessWho

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So, the conclusion? If the Pharisees were Abraham children then they should do what Abraham did.

The Pharisees claimed Abraham to be their father (by blood lineage) and Christ told them that it is not the blood lineage which make you a son of Abraham. Didn't you hear that Saint John the Baptist said the same thing? He said that the Jews shall stop boasting before other nations for being the son's of Abraham. God is capable to raise inheritors even from the stones.
 
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Richie_2uk

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Well you know what they say don't you? When you point the finger, you have 3 pointing back at you. I rebuke you devil, in the name of Jesus, Get behind us and stay there. Father of lies, father of evil, father of sin.
 

GuessWho

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"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does." John 8:44
This is the key verse 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
 
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............ Malachi 2

10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
 
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Just a thought GodiskindtothewickedI have noticed that all of your posts seem to show God in a bad light. Can you not post something thats good about God something that lifts people and not crushing them.