Generational curses.

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Hizikyah

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Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Ezekiyl 36:27, "And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep My Laws."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 

Hizikyah

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those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit
 
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those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit
And they don't talk English Hebrew either, The Holy Spirit speaks all languages.
 
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SO heart disease in the family has nothing to do with trichinosis worm?

and no man has no complete grasp over Yahweh creation thus we should obey the Creator.
Look it up. 90% to 95% of trichinosis infections have minor to no symptoms with no complications Undercooked and raw meat can allow the trichinosis parasite to almost exclusively affect the intestines. Few people roast whole hogs, especially wild hogs, that being very hard to cook adequately through and through. In the U.S. the FDA regulations have effectively removed the problem.

I am focusing on this point because wild game animals escape health regulations, and do often carry the parasite. It so happens that many species of wild game were not prohibited by the Law of Moses. They often carry parasites, including
T. spiralis as easily as swine, and are untreated around the world. The lean muscle of those is rendered too tough to eat when overcooked, so there is greater potential of parasite infections from eating them undercooked, the very ones Jews can eat.

Now about your speeches.

What you have been talking about was for the Jews in a land totally surrounded by a major Gentile market involving 3 continents, with a big mix of cultures, philosophies, religions. Much of the Law of Moses was intended to set Israel apart from all that, interrupted by the dispersal of Israelites, then briefly recouped for the sake of ushering in Christ, then dispersed in shame for nearly 2,000 years. Their religion was never aimed at Gentiles. Again, Jesus was required to live the Law because He was a Jew.

Acts 15 records the major position of the Church concerning the Jew's laws. Only a few common sense acts (that would offend any Jew, and most Gentiles whether Christian or not,) prohibited by Moses' Law were extended to the Christians. None of the very great volume of OT laws were "written on Christian hearts" except commandments clearly issued by direct commandment of Jesus and the disciples who wrote most of the New Covenant letters.

The casual reader of the New Testament, assuming a general education for good reading, ought to notice Jesus discussed some of those OT laws by necessity. They were mostly part of discussions with Pharisees. That didn't mean Jesus was commanding the Church to perform them. Actually, Jesus set a higher standard that trumped the OT laws. He did that knowing His disciples would be empowered to live by faith, living holy lives by help of the Holy Spirit indwelling each believer. The Jews alive while Jesus was alive in the flesh among men couldn't claim that benefit.

Christians are warned not to slip into the old garment of the Law. In Peter and Paul's time the Jews were the enemy of Church, subverting believers, even Gentile believers to the "gospel of the circumcision". That was the religion of the Jews.

It is to be avoided by Christians, not intended for our religious practice. The Holy Spirit writes the law of life and liberty upon the innermost being, our soul. The Law of Moses is the Law of Sin and Death, superseded by the New Covenant in Christ.

 
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I read it off a beer mat.
no need for verses, just common sense,
Ahh no need for a verse. satan love that kinda talk. No need for a verse just use you own thoughts eh. well get ther inthe end.
If you are going to teach share the gospel you need to back it up with scripture or you and you own commensense maeeage will will be disregarded

also if I did give a verse or whatever, waht does that prove? nothing really, as single verses are often used by two people arguing different theological views, its just your inerpretation of them.
I aint arguing or listning to you with out scripture. AS OF YET YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE GIVING YOUR INTERRATATION OF WHAT YOU THINK. i PREFER TO GIVE SCRIPTURE. Let me know how that goes.

At end of day Generational curses and other spiritual stuff like Soul Ties exist for a born again Christian who is now living within Christ, its dead easy to remove, just ask God to remove them by renouncing and asking forgiveness etc. Simple takes only a minute or two if that and there it all goes, all done dusted and removed from your life.
You have no scripture you aint even in the discussion mate.
Lets see ya go to court and say that.
 
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If you have a murderer down in your bloodline, then there's a chance that you will become one as well. But when you believe in the word as the whole truth, then when those thoughts comes into your mind, the word will remind you of what it is written about murderers. The more you keep the word in your mind, the more you'll become like the word and which that is grafting yourself onto the word and disconnecting from your old nature.
Got a scripture for that?
 
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Ok as for the porkers. today is saturday and its roll and bacon day.

For someone who pastes all that scripture you sure do miss the important ones.

Because I am in a new covanant.
And because He lives in me nothing touches me.

Any way this is why I am safe at all times from all things.

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

once again all the big debates on what the world thinks and says. The world being doctors.
If you put your trust in doctors you will need faith.

So even if we get sick we shall recover.
And now your saying but thats not the case in real life is it.
No becuase it says
these signs shall follow them that believe
These sign dont follow unbelievers. So if they dont follow you guess what. You in unbelief.
Ask for anything that is in Gods will and DONT DOUBT and it shall be given. requires faith every time at every turn.
You cannot please God with out faith.

So to the bacon butties bring it on.
 
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Got a scripture for that?
Like father, like son.

13 Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.”

7 When the men of that place asked him about his wife, he said, “She is my sister,” because he was afraid to say, “She is my wife.” He thought, “The men of this place might kill me on account of Rebekah, because she is beautiful.”

Moses has already been grafted onto the vine, because he was separated from the vine of his parent.

Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Exodus 4:25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.

Exodus 32:32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.

Psalm 80:8 You transplanted a vine from Egypt; you drove out the nations and planted it.
( Have you ever taken a vine from off a grape vine and planted it to start a new vine of its own?)

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

Leviticus 7:27 Anyone who eats blood must be cut off from their people.’”
( The blood is the wine that is from the one that you are connect with; and so if you take someone else wine and are still on God's branch, then the whole tree becomes corrupted with that wine.)

Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,

Matthew 9:17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
 
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pastac

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Jesus died on the cross and became a curse so we would no longer be under a curse. BUT Jesus was totally surrendered to God. He was the example we try to follow. Scripture is clear YES generational curses are in effect today. The word is clear people misinterpret it all the time making it say what they want it to mean. Here is an example. If a sinner has not accepted Jesus as his Lord and does not live for him he has not partaken in the death burial and resurrection of Christ ,then he is still under the law of sin and death for that reason alone.

If at some time he accepts the fact that Jesus died rose again from the dead repents, turns from his ways asks Jesus to be Lord of his life and lives for Christ, grace now abounds and the blood covers him. To say that curses do not exist is as foolish as saying blessings do not exist. People were cursed because of their action or the actions of their forefathers and until that has been resolved it is still on the heavenly books.

What most people don't get is they try to equate their limited natural based knowledge with spiritual knowledge and the two if not on one accord often clash for what is natural is natural and what is spiritual is spiritual. I am sad that well meaning believers try to re write the Holy Scriptures simply because they don't study and if the do they study naturally well where is the spiritual study with the mind of Christ. Who seeks God for the answers to only spiritual questions? Many don't they fly off what they think they know or by the seat of their pants defending positions that make them look foolish to well taught Christians.
Most well meaning believers claiming they love Christ don't believe in demons or demonic activity but believe in Angels and even then they think Angels are what they are not, most don't know how to fight but are always looking for one, most are defeated in several areas of life yet pretend to be experts at deliverance and liberty, most shy away from truth and hide behind religion asking the dumbest theoretical questions that have very little base and even less restoration and salvation hope for hurting and lost believers muchless anything that would want a sinner to change.

Then even worse take scripture and twist it beyond the boundaries of anything recognized by many who study each day and commune with the Holy Spirit and are yielded to his guiding our lives. I was taught that we know in part and the part that we know we need to know that we know that we know that we really know.

Gods ways are not our ways unless we follow them. His thoughts are not our thoughts unless we think them. His understanding is not our understanding unless we yield to his understanding. When we rid our thoughts and allow only Gods position to come from our mouths we will do what all believers hope to do. Let me share this last thought.


If life and death are in the power of the tongue and we all can speak . Can we speak sinful words that are cursed and bring curses to situations? Of Course. If the death of Jesus canceled curses in our lives if we accept him as Lord and accept his death burial and resurrection are we under a law of curses? Of Course believers are not but unbelievers are. Here is why for even though it rains on the just as well as the unjust the unjust are still unjust.

They don't benefit from the whole set of promises of believers. Lastly breaking a curse stops the action of the curse demonic residue may still be involved and need to be cleansed. I ;m going to end this with scripture that should put it in perspective this is after Jesus had taught his disciples truth.

Return of an Unclean Spirit
(Luke 11:24-26)
43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.



A Tree Recognized by its Fruit
(Matthew 7:15-23; Luke 6:43-45)
33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.



A House Divided
(Mark 3:20-27; Luke 11:14-23)
22Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

My hope and prayer is that the threads get better and the understanding gets better so we can all be soul winners and not debaters who keep biting the bait that has been dangled. Satan uses believers against each other and influences several of the questions many think are sincere, but the bigger understanding is that sin is in sincere, sin is in influences and sin is still in us in some degree and that is our thorn in the flesh to keep under control and allow Jesus to either remove it or use it to get us to the place he desires us to be in him for only in him is no sin.
pastac
 
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p_rehbein

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Good stuff pastac............thanks........ :)
 
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pastac

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Good stuff pastac............thanks........ :)
I respect your post they keep me grounded and laughing but when its Fathers business I'm all business. I thank God for you. I'm just tired of the foolishness that keeps us from winning souls. Men cant see with eyes wide shut drive their lives each day yet lives are slamming into deception head on.
pastac
 

p_rehbein

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I respect your post they keep me grounded and laughing but when its Fathers business I'm all business. I thank God for you. I'm just tired of the foolishness that keeps us from winning souls. Men cant see with eyes wide shut drive their lives each day yet lives are slamming into deception head on.
pastac
Your first two paragraphs were so very "spot on," that I considered stealing them.......... :) But, of course, I would give you the credit if I ever used them in another discussion................. :) God bless you and yours.............

And, I agree, there are times when "Truth" must be spoken, and let the chips fall where they may...........If we speak God's Truth, then we have no reason to apologize to anyone............
 
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I am under the law of truth, are you?
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well put Zmouth.

those of us who have been called and have surrendered everything -
the Holy Spirit requires of us, will come to know The Truth.
 
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Like father, like son.

13 Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.”

7 When the men of that place asked him about his wife, he said, “She is my sister,” because he was afraid to say, “She is my wife.” He thought, “The men of this place might kill me on account of Rebekah, because she is beautiful.”

Moses has already been grafted onto the vine, because he was separated from the vine of his parent.

Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Exodus 4:25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.

Exodus 32:32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.

Psalm 80:8 You transplanted a vine from Egypt; you drove out the nations and planted it.
( Have you ever taken a vine from off a grape vine and planted it to start a new vine of its own?)

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

Leviticus 7:27 Anyone who eats blood must be cut off from their people.’”
( The blood is the wine that is from the one that you are connect with; and so if you take someone else wine and are still on God's branch, then the whole tree becomes corrupted with that wine.)

Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,

Matthew 9:17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
Ok so were in a court of law. And you said
If you have a murderer down in your bloodline, then there's a chance that you will become one as well
I asked for scripture you plenty but there is nothing in there that says what you claim.
 
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Originally Posted by Zmouth

I am under the law of truth, are you?


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well put Zmouth.

those of us who have been called and have surrendered everything -
the Holy Spirit requires of us, will come to know The Truth.
Really I am not under anything. I am in a new covanant.
 
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Ok so were in a court of law. And you said

I asked for scripture you plenty but there is nothing in there that says what you claim.
You have to have eyes and ears in order to see and hear.
 

p_rehbein

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Originally Posted by Zmouth

I am under the law of truth, are you?




Really I am not under anything. I am in a new covanant.
So, uh, you are NOT under God? Hmmmmmm...........Those under the New Covenant........Grace, are UNDER the New Covenant, Grace..........you aren't UNDER it? Hmmmmmmmmm

u-iz-2-funny
 
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I am under the law of truth, are you?
When someone that is under a law is a slave. The truth shouldn't be forced for someone to perform, it should be automatically what they desire to do. But if it is not in them and they were made to speak the truth, then the truth was never in them, and that makes them not one of the righteous. A righteous person has the desires to do what is right of their own free-will and doesn't has to be forced or made to do the what is right.
 

p_rehbein

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Well, dunno, don't we CHOOSE to be under the Law of Truth? Or, actually, I choose to be under the Law of Faith as stated by the Apostle Paul...........so that really isn't forced on us............just commenting here.......