Generational curses.
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The Creator gives Instructions, when those Instructions are disobeyed there is always one or more bad consequences.
There are things that Yahweh says not to eat (vultures, catfish, pigs, etc) but if a human chooses to eat them it can have detrimental health effects. A lifetime of eating pork can cause an increased chance of cancers, heart disease, and more. These diseases are damaged DNA. This damaged DNA can be handed down. People say, "I have an increased risk of heart disease in my family." Now apply these same principles to sexual Laws and even moral Laws in how people treat each other... Over time these things effect DNA.
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
There are things that Yahweh says not to eat (vultures, catfish, pigs, etc) but if a human chooses to eat them it can have detrimental health effects. A lifetime of eating pork can cause an increased chance of cancers, heart disease, and more. These diseases are damaged DNA. This damaged DNA can be handed down. People say, "I have an increased risk of heart disease in my family." Now apply these same principles to sexual Laws and even moral Laws in how people treat each other... Over time these things effect DNA.
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
I am a follower of the Lamb of Yahweh.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
The entire universe is governed by the Law of Yahweh.
Just as satan tricked adam and eve into thinking Yahweh did not have to be obeyed, satan has done the same today.
"Under the Law" has as many meanings as there are people to read it.
I believe that the Creator of the heavens and earth knows what is best for me and yes I seek to obey His Instruction/Law/Commandments
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Just as satan tricked adam and eve into thinking Yahweh did not have to be obeyed, satan has done the same today.
"Under the Law" has as many meanings as there are people to read it.
I believe that the Creator of the heavens and earth knows what is best for me and yes I seek to obey His Instruction/Law/Commandments
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Ok Next question was Paul under the law? or did paul concider it dung?
7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Its not about what your asking buddy Its about telling people they are not under generational curses.
And heres theshort proof. As God say in His word. There is no generatioal curse. Scriptural proof here.
What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel... The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. (Ezekiel 18:1-4,18-20)
And here is another 20 verses that are as plain to see as any thing.
1. First Covenant, Second Covenant: Heb 8:7, 9:1-18, 10:1-9
2. Old, New: Matt 26: 28, 2Cor 3, Heb 8:13
3. Given by Moses, given by Jesus: John 1:17, Gal 3:19, Heb 9:15 Matt 26:28
4. Law of Moses. Law of Christ: Acts 13:39, Gal 6:2
5. Law of Sin and Law of Righteousness: Rom 7:7-25, Rom 8:1-4, Rom 9:31
6. Law of the Flesh and Law of the Spirit: Rom7:5,6 Rom 8:1-4, Gal 5:16-26
7. Not of faith, Law of faith??? Not too sure Gal 3:12, Rom 3:27
8. Yoke of bondage and Law of Liberty: Gal 5:1, James 1:18-25
9. Brought to an end by Christ, Established by Christ: 2Cor 3:14, Heb 10:9, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 2 Cor 3:6-18, Matt 26:28
10. One brought death, other Life: 2Cor 3: 6-18, Rom 8:1-4, Gal 3:21, Heb 9:15, 10:1-18
11. One makes guilty and other justifies and not guilty: Rom 3:19,20 Acts 13:39 Rom 3:21-31, 5:1-11
12. One is the shadow of things to come and the other a reality: Col 2:14-17, Heb 10:1-18
13. One is fulfilled or completed and the other is still in force: Matt 5:17,18; 2 Cor 3:6-18; Heb 10:9
14. One demanded righteousness and the other gave righteousness: Luke 10:28, Rom 8: 1-4, Gal 3:1-29; 5:1-26
15. One made nothing perfect and the other made perfect Heb 7:19
16. One was glorious and the other was more glorious 2 Cor 3
17. One powerless to save from sin and the other saves to the uttermost: Heb 7:11-28; 8:7-13; 10:1-18
18. Had many sacrifices and other one sacrifice: Heb 9:9-14; 10:14; Rom 6: 6-13
19. One had changeable priesthood and other does not : Heb 7:23-38; 4:14-16, Rom 8:34
20. Remembers sin and other forgets sins: Heb 10:13; 8:12
Pick the bones out of that. Baby were free. He y man I see in your posts that you locve to spread all the fear mongering threats from God. Do you know of the love of CHrist with out any threats?
With out love you have nothing.
And heres theshort proof. As God say in His word. There is no generatioal curse. Scriptural proof here.
What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel... The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. (Ezekiel 18:1-4,18-20)
And here is another 20 verses that are as plain to see as any thing.
1. First Covenant, Second Covenant: Heb 8:7, 9:1-18, 10:1-9
2. Old, New: Matt 26: 28, 2Cor 3, Heb 8:13
3. Given by Moses, given by Jesus: John 1:17, Gal 3:19, Heb 9:15 Matt 26:28
4. Law of Moses. Law of Christ: Acts 13:39, Gal 6:2
5. Law of Sin and Law of Righteousness: Rom 7:7-25, Rom 8:1-4, Rom 9:31
6. Law of the Flesh and Law of the Spirit: Rom7:5,6 Rom 8:1-4, Gal 5:16-26
7. Not of faith, Law of faith??? Not too sure Gal 3:12, Rom 3:27
8. Yoke of bondage and Law of Liberty: Gal 5:1, James 1:18-25
9. Brought to an end by Christ, Established by Christ: 2Cor 3:14, Heb 10:9, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 2 Cor 3:6-18, Matt 26:28
10. One brought death, other Life: 2Cor 3: 6-18, Rom 8:1-4, Gal 3:21, Heb 9:15, 10:1-18
11. One makes guilty and other justifies and not guilty: Rom 3:19,20 Acts 13:39 Rom 3:21-31, 5:1-11
12. One is the shadow of things to come and the other a reality: Col 2:14-17, Heb 10:1-18
13. One is fulfilled or completed and the other is still in force: Matt 5:17,18; 2 Cor 3:6-18; Heb 10:9
14. One demanded righteousness and the other gave righteousness: Luke 10:28, Rom 8: 1-4, Gal 3:1-29; 5:1-26
15. One made nothing perfect and the other made perfect Heb 7:19
16. One was glorious and the other was more glorious 2 Cor 3
17. One powerless to save from sin and the other saves to the uttermost: Heb 7:11-28; 8:7-13; 10:1-18
18. Had many sacrifices and other one sacrifice: Heb 9:9-14; 10:14; Rom 6: 6-13
19. One had changeable priesthood and other does not : Heb 7:23-38; 4:14-16, Rom 8:34
20. Remembers sin and other forgets sins: Heb 10:13; 8:12
Pick the bones out of that. Baby were free. He y man I see in your posts that you locve to spread all the fear mongering threats from God. Do you know of the love of CHrist with out any threats?
With out love you have nothing.
SO Shaul/Paul was a Pharisee....
They had what amounted to 23 vols of written "laws" called the babylonian talmud, and not only was he a Hebrew man with roman citizenship and a pharisee, but he could recite the entire first 5 books plus innumerable pharisee created "laws" ...23 vols when it was finally written down...
and the same man who you just quoted a verse of his letter, also wrote this:
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
New International Version
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
New Living Translation
Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
English Standard Version
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
New American Standard Bible
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
King James Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; (transgression of the Law), except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is W2holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.
22 For I delight in the Law ofYahweh according to the inward man;
23 But I saw another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my mind, and bringing me into captivity of the law of sin, which is in my members.
25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law
of sin.
They had what amounted to 23 vols of written "laws" called the babylonian talmud, and not only was he a Hebrew man with roman citizenship and a pharisee, but he could recite the entire first 5 books plus innumerable pharisee created "laws" ...23 vols when it was finally written down...
and the same man who you just quoted a verse of his letter, also wrote this:
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
New International Version
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
New Living Translation
Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
English Standard Version
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
New American Standard Bible
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
King James Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; (transgression of the Law), except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is W2holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.
22 For I delight in the Law ofYahweh according to the inward man;
23 But I saw another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my mind, and bringing me into captivity of the law of sin, which is in my members.
25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law
of sin.